'10 CA QB Jesse Scroggins (USC Solid Verbal)

Which school will Scroggins verbally commit to tomorrow?

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Sabanocchio said:
I agree and I have previously stated that I didn't believe Scroggins would follow Barkley to USC, but by most accounts he is leaning towards doing exactly that. It would be stupid, but he may actually do it. I just can't account for it. Logic says he will commit to the Vols.
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Unfortunately 17 year old kids that grew up as fans of the local home team don't always go by logic. I know that if I were a big time recruit, I would have signed at UT no matter what the depth chart. It happens.
 
#3,877
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droski said:
barkley threw more ints than TDs his senior year in HS and preceeded to throw lots of INTs in SCs spring practice. If barkely sees the field this year, SC is in deep trouble IMO. corp is a stud and if he plays well i can't see carroll benching him in favor of barkley next year. no matter what happens scroggins isn't going to the see the field soon unless we see a lot of injuries.
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And that's highly unlikely with USC playing against those pansy Pac 10 defenses. :p
 
#3,879
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droski said:
it's not impossible, but we won 9 games last year and return virtually the entire team which is why expectations are very high.
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ahh, I know what you meant...it was just funny the way I read it.

nevermind...back to rampant speculation and insider info :)
 
#3,882
#3,882
Barkley will be the next superstar USC QB. Look at his vids, the kid can do it all and he's a leader.
 
#3,884
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VOL61 said:
Barkley may very well win the job this year for USC. I would say that is what Carroll is telling Scroggins. But Corp was a 5* QB his senior year as well and has waited his turn. Barkley could actually redshirt this year if Mustain makes it grade wise and start his Sophmore year if Corp plays well. The USC job as of now is Corp's from what I have heard. If it was to play out like this Scroggins would only have his senior year to play unless he could beat Barkley out or he got injuried. Maybe this is a reach. But Corp is a good player. Barkley hasn't won the job yet.
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USC's QB situation is not altogether different than ours at RB. Sure, we all would like to see us stay loaded and pull in a Seastrunk or Dyer, but then you reach a point of diminishing returns.
When you overstock at the position you create a boiling cauldron of resentment and questioning of the staff. That's what happened with Lennon Creer. He obviously didn't like how we we trying to load up at RB, and when CLK rode him by removing the number from his jersey (humiliating the kid), the kid took off. I honestly think the guy was ready to light it up this season and it would've been a tandem between him and Hardesty. If we bring in Seastrunk or Dyer, watch Oku or Poole transfer out.

So, back to Scroggins...that's where he's at. Right on the threshold of diminishing returns...where he seriously risks finding himself in a spectator position for a few years, if he ever sees the field. It's one thing to not be afraid of a little competition, it's entirely another when a winning team like USC gets a little too greedy with the talent, and overstocks to the point that a few 5* QB's never get to see the field.

His dad seems to be a really selfish man, if he is pushing him into that kind of situation just so he can see his boy...sit on the bench the better part of his 4 yrs.
Encourage your boy into the situation that's going to benefit HIM...not you, dad.
 
#3,885
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rexvol said:
Barkley will be the next superstar USC QB. Look at his vids, the kid can do it all and he's a leader.
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He has got to be one of the most easily predicted NFL bound underclassmen in college football.

I'd almost be willing to bet that when he gets drafted, he'll go higher than wherever Tebow goes this year. But, neither of us are gamblers, Preacher. Just saying.
 
#3,886
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droski said:
if he is so good why did he suck as a HS senior?
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I don't know if its legit, but I heard that basically all of his OL and WRs from the previous year graduated and that they play in one of the toughest divisions in Cali.

A bunch of his picks came off of tips too. I think I saw at least 3 like that in one game that was on ESPNU
 
#3,887
#3,887
TENNaciousUTfan said:
USC's QB situation is not altogether different than ours at RB. Sure, we all would like to see us stay loaded and pull in a Seastrunk or Dyer, but then you reach a point of diminishing returns.
When you overstock at the position you create a boiling cauldron of resentment and questioning of the staff. That's what happened with Lennon Creer. He obviously didn't like how we we trying to load up at RB, and when CLK rode him by removing the number from his jersey (humiliating the kid), the kid took off. I honestly think the guy was ready to light it up this season and it would've been a tandem between him and Hardesty. If we bring in Seastrunk or Dyer, watch Oku or Poole transfer out.
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By all accounts he wasn't willing to put the work in and was just plain out performed by Hardesty Poole, AND Williams. That's why he took his ball and left. He could see the writing on the wall that he wasn't going to get many snaps. Things might have changed, but he wasn't willing to stick around and work for his job so it doesn't really matter. The break out was never coming with Creer.
 
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droski said:
if he is so good why did he suck as a HS senior?
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I saw some of the game last fall of them Matre Dei (sp?) play Centennial, and they got owned by the latter. Garcia actually looked better than Barkley, IMHO...and he was a 3* (signed with Nebraska). but I guess others saw more footage of him than I did.

BTW, I'm not too far away from you Droski...in Riverside
 
#3,889
#3,889
I'm just wondering, has anyone said that Barley won't red shirt? If he does will that not put scroggins out at least 3 years to play.. plus there is a chance that USC could pick up another mega star in that time frame too.. Sorry if I missed the redshirt part earlier in the thread..
 
#3,890
#3,890
TENNaciousUTfan said:
USC's QB situation is not altogether different than ours at RB. Sure, we all would like to see us stay loaded and pull in a Seastrunk or Dyer, but then you reach a point of diminishing returns.
When you overstock at the position you create a boiling cauldron of resentment and questioning of the staff. That's what happened with Lennon Creer. He obviously didn't like how we we trying to load up at RB, and when CLK rode him by removing the number from his jersey (humiliating the kid), the kid took off. I honestly think the guy was ready to light it up this season and it would've been a tandem between him and Hardesty. If we bring in Seastrunk or Dyer, watch Oku or Poole transfer out.

So, back to Scroggins...that's where he's at. Right on the threshold of diminishing returns...where he seriously risks finding himself in a spectator position for a few years, if he ever sees the field. It's one thing to not be afraid of a little competition, it's entirely another when a winning team like USC gets a little too greedy with the talent, and overstocks to the point that a few 5* QB's never get to see the field.

His dad seems to be a really selfish man, if he is pushing him into that kind of situation just so he can see his boy...sit on the bench the better part of his 4 yrs.
Encourage your boy into the situation that's going to benefit HIM...not you, dad.
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Well-stated!

BB's dad seemed to be the opposite by supporting whatever was best for his career. Maybe it's not the HS kid who is being irrational.
 
#3,893
#3,893
bburger991 said:
I don't know if its legit, but I heard that basically all of his OL and WRs from the previous year graduated and that they play in one of the toughest divisions in Cali.

A bunch of his picks came off of tips too. I think I saw at least 3 like that in one game that was on ESPNU
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mater dei reloads they don't rebuild. maybe playing with elite talent for 3 years made him look a lot better than he actually is.

TENNaciousUTfan said:
I saw some of the game last fall of them Matre Dei (sp?) play Centennial, and they got owned by the latter. Garcia actually looked better than Barkley, IMHO...and he was a 3* (signed with Nebraska). but I guess others saw more footage of him than I did.

BTW, I'm not too far away from you Droski...in Riverside
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yeah i saw that game too. he looked horrible. i actually live in marina del rey so it's a little farther than LA to riverside. Brunch at the mission inn in riverside is a favorite of mine.

cutnitclose said:
I'm just wondering, has anyone said that Barley won't red shirt? If he does will that not put scroggins out at least 3 years to play.. plus there is a chance that USC could pick up another mega star in that time frame too.. Sorry if I missed the redshirt part earlier in the thread..
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Carroll said that barkley likely wouldn't redshirt and it seems obvious carroll promised barkley he would play this year. on the other hand if corp starts lighting it up, i don't see them burning barkley's redshirt if all he is doing is handing the ball off during garbage time.
 
#3,895
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Demon_Vol said:
By all accounts he wasn't willing to put the work in and was just plain out performed by Hardesty Poole, AND Williams. That's why he took his ball and left. He could see the writing on the wall that he wasn't going to get many snaps. Things might have changed, but he wasn't willing to stick around and work for his job so it doesn't really matter. The break out was never coming with Creer.
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There may be some truth to that, but I remember some early talk of him looking really good, then he had 2 fumbles (that probably put him in Kiffin's doghouse and got the number removed from his jersey). I've heard many coaches say that you can't use the same approach with every player. You have to know a player's personality and temperament.
Seems like he saw the staff trying to bring 2 more 5* TB's into an already crowded stable, and the humiliation was his tipping point. I've seen enough of Creer, and Fulmer gushed over the fact that he was perhaps the most dynamic player on the team. It was a combination of things, and like Coleman, he felt he wasn't getting a fair shake. I doubt that Creer sucked...it was likely the 2 fumbles. He should've shook it off and fought hard the rest of the Spring, to see where he was at.
 
#3,896
#3,896
TENNaciousUTfan said:
There may be some truth to that, but I remember some early talk of him looking really good, then he had 2 fumbles (that probably put him in Kiffin's doghouse and got the number removed from his jersey). I've heard many coaches say that you can't use the same approach with every player. You have to know a player's personality and temperament.
Seems like he saw the staff trying to bring 2 more 5* TB's into an already crowded stable, and the humiliation was his tipping point. I've seen enough of Creer, and Fulmer gushed over the fact that he was perhaps the most dynamic player on the team. It was a combination of things, and like Coleman, he felt he wasn't getting a fair shake. I doubt that Creer sucked...it was likely the 2 fumbles. He should've shook it off and fought hard the rest of the Spring, to see where he was at.
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And there in lies the problem. From what I read about spring practice he WASN'T willing to put in the work. He was one of the guys that felt like he should be handed the playing time. He didn't like the competition that Kiffin brought in and was more comfortable with Fulmer's "let the stars take it easy in practice" approach. That's why he's gone. But anyways, enough hijacking of Scroggin's thread.
 
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volfans1 said:
Tx vol3
What's your take on Scroggins?
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Sorry for the late reply. But while I don't think he really has been "our #1 guy" from the start and the best fit for us, he's really the only guy left that will make a significant impact in both recruiting and being on the field early. I will gladly take a commitment from him but deep down I almost think getting that is only half of it, I think we'll have a very very hard time holding him down 'til NSD with him being in LA and his stock probably rising throughout this next year. I'm a big Jesse fan than though and I really would be happy to have him as our guy.
 
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#3,900
#3,900
droski said:
not trying to dominate this thread. .. but i doubt mustain is a factor at all. mustain probably transfers to a div 1aa team if he doesn't move to #2 by the end of the fall.
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Droski, are you saying Barkley is no good and Mustain is transferring because Barkley is better?
 
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