'10 CA QB Jesse Scroggins (USC Solid Verbal)

[Sabanocchio]

O and fwiw, I think the call to CUM was to tell him fla is out of it.

I seriously doubt that's the case. He has maintained all along that Florida would be in it until the end and the end isn't coming up for another 26 days.

 

[orutvol]

sorry guys, next time I will get on google earth can calculate the exact distance from his house to the USC football complex. Then i will estimate the speed limit based on the angle of the curves and the number of lanes.

Based on my calculations it is actucally 19.45945 min away, if that red light is green. :wink2:

Can you try to work in there traffic as well? I lived in So Cal for a few years, and traffic can be pretty bad. I mean since you are going through all the trouble, might as well be as accurate as you can

 

[EricberryFAN]

I am pretty confident its down to us and USC.

Same here!

 

[Tenacious D]

I would say that the likelihood for immediate playing time is "common-sense", wouldn't you?

An argument can be made that, "immediate playing time" is not all its cracked up to be.

For example, many highly-touted rookie QB's have a chance at, "immediate playing time" upon entering the NFL. That's not always a good thing - and that's why you see so many clubs who now talk about bringing a guy along slowly, and not just throwing him to the wolves in his first formative year in the league. They know that the experience he gains in this first formative year will be little more than getting the bejeezus knocked out of him for 16 straight weeks - and that this could have negative consequences with not only his confidence, but also his development, for years to come.

Some might even interpret this as, "You're the guy who will be first to get his teeth kicked in."

Sound appealing, now?

 

[TennesseeT]

An argument can be made that, "immediate playing time" is not all its cracked up to be.

For example, many highly-touted rookie QB's have a chance at, "immediate playing time" upon entering the NFL. That's not always a good thing - and that's why you see so many clubs who now talk about bringing a guy along slowly, and not just throwing him to the wolves in his first formative year in the league. They know that the experience he gains in this first formative year will be little more than getting the bejeezus knocked out of him for 16 straight weeks - and that this could have negative consequences with not only his confidence, but also his development, for years to come.

Some might even interpret this as, "You're the guy who will be first to get his teeth kicked in."

Sound appealing, now?

Peyton Manning!

 

[RCKYT0P]

What we have here is Jake Heaps, Part II.

There is no objective, common-sense reason for him to come here, over the other finalists. The sooner we accept that, the sooner we can start hyping and wooing the next, "under-the-radar" prospect.

I agree. I hope he comes here. I also think we need to go ahead and go forward as if he is not coming.

Lets get Lamaison and move ahead to 2011 QBs.

 

[kptvol]

Even if this guy commits to us, it sucks that USC is only a few minutes away and can keep recruiting him. Conversely, there's always a chance something happens to Corp, Barkley comes in and tears it up, and Scroggins decides they've already got their guy for the future.

 

[Sabanocchio]

Even if this guy commits to us, it sucks that USC is only a few minutes away and can keep recruiting him. Conversely, there's always a chance something happens to Corp, Barkley comes in and tears it up, and Scroggins decides they've already got their guy for the future.

Good points. I agree. I think if Scroggins commits to USC though, it's going to be hard to pull him away. I think if it's USC instead of us, then distance is one of the main factors and that is not something we can overcome.

 

[Bigorangefan79]

Did you hear that they are moving the rock?

 

[Tx_Vol3]

Guys for what it's worth, the picture of "the rock" is now off of JS's myspace...

take from that what you want

 

[TrésDay]

An argument can be made that, "immediate playing time" is not all its cracked up to be.

For example, many highly-touted rookie QB's have a chance at, "immediate playing time" upon entering the NFL. That's not always a good thing - and that's why you see so many clubs who now talk about bringing a guy along slowly, and not just throwing him to the wolves in his first formative year in the league. They know that the experience he gains in this first formative year will be little more than getting the bejeezus knocked out of him for 16 straight weeks - and that this could have negative consequences with not only his confidence, but also his development, for years to come.

Some might even interpret this as, "You're the guy who will be first to get his teeth kicked in."

Sound appealing, now?

This is definitely a good point, but I thought we were talking about college football. I think there have been a few quarterbacks in UT history that have had decent true freshman years. There is no way to know how successful he will be, but I'm simply trying to point out that the opportunity is there and with a path of lesser resistance.

 

[GATechVOL]

Guys for what it's worth, the picture of "the rock" is now off of JS's myspace...

take from that what you want

USC lock.

 

[Bigorangefan79]

Uh-Oh!

 

[VolAce]

An argument can be made that, "immediate playing time" is not all its cracked up to be.

For example, many highly-touted rookie QB's have a chance at, "immediate playing time" upon entering the NFL. That's not always a good thing - and that's why you see so many clubs who now talk about bringing a guy along slowly, and not just throwing him to the wolves in his first formative year in the league. They know that the experience he gains in this first formative year will be little more than getting the bejeezus knocked out of him for 16 straight weeks - and that this could have negative consequences with not only his confidence, but also his development, for years to come.

Some might even interpret this as, "You're the guy who will be first to get his teeth kicked in."

Sound appealing, now?

See Matt Ryan, 2008 NFL rookie of the year. Pretty much started at QB from day one and brought a Falcons team that was awful the year before to the playoffs. How did he do it? With the help of a great running game; see our depth chart at HB for next year. You get the point. Scroggins has already said starting early is attractive to him and I don't see any reason why now all of the sudden he wants to compete with 5* QBs for the slim chance of starting at USC... All I'm saying is it's not completely unrealistic that he signs with us on July 25th.

 

[Tx_Vol3]

USC lock.

Yeah...I'm afraid it's starting to look that way.

It makes me think he did in fact intend on committing here after camp because the coaches and facilities probably blew him away. Hence the picture on his myspace and the way he talked up UT. However, what you have here is a kid who is very indicisive and whoever he see's that he likes LAST is going to get his services. Unfortunately for us, he camped at SC last and not to mention they would've gotten the last word in one way or the other regardless since they're 20 (5 if you're matt :birgits_giggle minutes away from his house.

 

[johnnylongball]

Guys for what it's worth, the picture of "the rock" is now off of JS's myspace...

take from that what you want

Not a good sign.

 

[Voltrapnbama]

I dont think it is a bad sign that he took it down. But i also did not think anything of it when he put it up either. Why would his official to the Georgia game still be on if he knows he is going to USC. Honestly i dont think anyone knows but him at this point. The rest is all speculation

 

[Tx_Vol3]

I dont think it is a bad sign that he took it down. But i also did not think anything of it when he put it up either. Why would his official to the Georgia game still be on if he knows he is going to USC. Honestly i dont think anyone knows but him at this point. The rest is all speculation

Well naturally you'd think "recruiting" players.

But you could be right, this could mean nothing. For all we know he could have UT at #1 right now but he doesn't want to give any indication of that so he doesn't recieve a lot of pressure from the locals

 

[orutvol]

Cant wait till we play USC in the NC game and Eric Berry meets him across the middle!!!

 

[GATechVOL]

Yeah...I'm afraid it's starting to look that way.

It makes me think he did in fact intend on committing here after camp because the coaches and facilities probably blew him away. Hence the picture on his myspace and the way he talked up UT. However, what you have here is a kid who is very indicisive and whoever he see's that he likes LAST is going to get his services. Unfortunately for us, he camped at SC last and not to mention they would've gotten the last word in one way or the other regardless since they're 20 (5 if you're matt :birgits_giggle minutes away from his house.

I'm messing around with the "USC Lock" thing, because everybody is so quick to jump to conclusions (See: Office Space) about these kids and their decisions.

Anyway, I think he's more of a lean now to USC because, like you said, he was there last. I bet the USC coaches are saying "hey, UT offers the same exact thing that we offer, but we will be competing for national titles right now, where it might take them longer...and we are right at home for you. Don't you want all your friends and family watching you play in your home state??"

It just seems right. No matter how many of those five stars are ahead of them, it seems like he's leaning toward SC. Dangit, I want him to be a Vol so badly, but I think USC is saying that we are very similar programs but SC "has more to offer" (other than PT). Maybe another mind-blowing visit to UTK will change his mind (again!) Hey, where's that chick at that gave us the upper hand with Bryce Brown? Go get her!

Dangit! Another thing to think about is that these kids seem to wear their hearts on their sleeves. The whole myspace photo thing is just him being excited about it. Now he's into SC, so maybe he takes down the UT stuff. All this Twitter and Facebook crap is ridiculous. I wish it weren't there (for these purposes). It is only a way for people to scream for attention. That's all it is!

 

[Voltrapnbama]

Well naturally you'd think "recruiting" players.

But you could be right, this could mean nothing. For all we know he could have UT at #1 right now but he doesn't want to give any indication of that so he doesn't recieve a lot of pressure from the locals

Who are we recruiting besides jesse and dion that are considering USC?

 

[Tx_Vol3]

I'm messing around with the "USC Lock" thing, because everybody is so quick to jump to conclusions (See: Office Space) about these kids and their decisions.

Anyway, I think he's more of a lean now to USC because, like you said, he was there last. I bet the USC coaches are saying "hey, UT offers the same exact thing that we offer, but we will be competing for national titles right now, where it might take them longer...and we are right at home for you. Don't you want all your friends and family watching you play in your home state??"

It just seems right. No matter how many of those five stars are ahead of them, it seems like he's leaning toward SC. Dangit, I want him to be a Vol so badly, but I think USC is saying that we are very similar programs but SC "has more to offer" (other than PT). Maybe another mind-blowing visit to UTK will change his mind (again!) Hey, where's that chick at that gave us the upper hand with Bryce Brown? Go get her!

Dangit! Another thing to think about is that these kids seem to wear their hearts on their sleeves. The whole myspace photo thing is just him being excited about it. Now he's into SC, so maybe he takes down the UT stuff. All this Twitter and Facebook crap is ridiculous. I wish it weren't there (for these purposes). It is only a way for people to scream for attention. That's all it is!

Yeah I agree with you on what SC's probably selling him. It just really doesn't look good...

It's starting to look like some pathetic romance movie. Here you have a very good looking girl new to a high school (Jesse Scroggins) and then two dudes competing for her. You have the BMOC (USC) who has all these other flings with other girls (Barkley, Corp, Mustain...whoever else) who sells his shallow and decieving but overwhelming charm at her and then you have the good, nice guy that everyone likes (UT) who's genuinly into her. I guess we have to wait for the ending on this though...

 

[Tx_Vol3]

Who are we recruiting besides jesse and dion that are considering USC?

I was reffering to him going on the Georgia visit which someone else mentioned. I didn't even know he was doing it til I read that...

Wait, now i get what you were saying. But idk, you have a point there. I guess maybe he's just trying to take in a good game for free.

 

[Tenacious D]

This is definitely a good point, but I thought we were talking about college football. I think there have been a few quarterbacks in UT history that have had decent true freshman years. There is no way to know how successful he will be, but I'm simply trying to point out that the opportunity is there and with a path of lesser resistance.

We are talking college football, but there's another level of football, professional that is, where the growing trend is not to rush a rookie onto the field. The professional level is beginning to better recognize this fact, and I suspect some college coaches - and recruits - have also taken note of this as well.

I didn't question that Tennessee has had a frosh QB who met with "decent" success in his first season, nor did I attempt to predict what accomplishments Scroggins may or may not ultimately achieve, regardless as to where he signs. Neither have I disagreed with any assertions that Tennessee seems to be the one with the greatest opportunity for immediate playing time at the QB position, of the three (3) schools being considered.

My contention was with the notion that immediate playing time was always to be considered as a positive selling point, when the reality is that this isn't always the perception it can invoke.

For example:
Perhaps there is little "resistance" to becoming the starting QB because no one else wanted it.

Here's another:
There's a great opportunity for you to see some pictures of Nell Carter in the nude......there's not a single other person in line to see them, so you can walk right up and catch an eyeful. Now, does having such an easy opportunity to see them make you want to see them?

No?

That's my point.

 

[Ericvol2096]

See Matt Ryan, 2008 NFL rookie of the year. Pretty much started at QB from day one and brought a Falcons team that was awful the year before to the playoffs. How did he do it? With the help of a great running game; see our depth chart at HB for next year. You get the point. Scroggins has already said starting early is attractive to him and I don't see any reason why now all of the sudden he wants to compete with 5* QBs for the slim chance of starting at USC... All I'm saying is it's not completely unrealistic that he signs with us on July 25th.

That is actually completely unrealistic....:birgits_giggle: