(1) Bulls vs. (8) 76ers

#51
#51
tvols75 said:
Very overrated in that aspect. Mike Conley was top 3 in steals this year and not a very good 1 on 1 defender. Big difference between being smart playing the passing lanes and being a great on ball defender.
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Steals are indicative of a guard who can get after it defensively. CP3 gets 2.5 spg because he is so active defensively. Whether he is excellent with help D, or on the ball D, it's all D, and it all helps.

A guard that doesn't get 1 spg, probably isn't very active, defensively.
 
#53
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n_huffhines said:
Steals are indicative of a guard who can get after it defensively. CP3 gets 2.5 spg because he is so active defensively. Whether he is excellent with help D, or on the ball D, it's all D, and it all helps.

A guard that doesn't get 1 spg, probably isn't very active, defensively.
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With you touting all these advanced statistics, will you explain why he had the best point per possession defensive efficiency rating while being the primary defender on the 3rd most plays last year (included the last stat because I know you would try to discredit him by saying his front line was the reason)? You want to go with basic stats such as steals when it supports Derrick Rose being "overrated" and ignore the very advanced statistics you try to shove done people's throats. Conley is very active in the passing lanes, but he is an average at best on-ball defender. But according to your logic, Conley was one of the best defensive PGs in the NBA this year. He is improved but still average.
 
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tvols75 said:
With you touting all these advanced statistics, will you explain why he had the best point per possession defensive efficiency rating while being the primary defender on the 3rd most plays last year (included the last stat because I know you would try to discredit him by saying his front line was the reason)? You want to go with basic stats such as steals when it supports Derrick Rose being "overrated" and ignore the very advanced statistics you try to shove done people's throats.
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How many assists does he surrender because he forces Noah to help him? That's a nice stat, but it's incomplete. When you have Noah and Asik in the paint your perimeter defense is going to benefit greatly.
 
#55
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n_huffhines said:
How many assists does he surrender because he forces Noah to help him? That's a nice stat, but it's incomplete. When you have Noah and Asik in the paint your perimeter defense is going to benefit greatly.
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Incomplete? In isolation sequences it is even lower at .61 points per possession.
 
#58
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As Thibodeau has said, his defense is predicated on having a PG that can lock someone down. Advanced stats and quotes by coach both show that Rose has become one of the better defensive PGs in the NBA.
 
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#59
tvols75 said:
Considering he was better than Rondo and Paul I would say he was well above league average.
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Can you link it?

Well above league average? What does that mean? If league average is .66, that's a difference of less than 4 points per game.

What the stat doesn't tell you is how many shots the guy is taking, how many assists he's delivering, etc. If Rose is surrendering 4 points less on average, but the guy he's defending is taking 4 fewer shots on average, then that would suggest he's not a good on the ball defender.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Can you link it?

Well above league average? What does that mean? If league average is .66, that's a difference of less than 4 points per game.

What the stat doesn't tell you is how many shots the guy is taking, how many assists he's delivering, etc. If Rose is surrendering 4 points less on average, but the guy he's defending is taking 4 fewer shots on average, then that would suggest he's not a good on the ball defender.
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I think it was Synergy. Not able to link right now, but there's a New York Times article on it.
 
#62
#62
40-39 Sixers at the half...


Lol @ Jon Barry bashing the East for not scoring more. The guy averaged 5.7pts for his career and never broke double digits.
 
#63
#63
Going down to the wire. Sixers just missed a 3 down 1 with 3 min.



Come on!!!1
 
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The_Orange_Pearl said:
40-39 Sixers at the half...


Lol @ Jon Barry bashing the East for not scoring more. The guy averaged 5.7pts for his career and never broke double digits.
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What does his career have to do with him pointing out some terrible basketball being played thus far?
 
#66
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GahLee said:
What does his career have to do with him pointing out some terrible basketball being played thus far?
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Because he was as inept as his opinion. Don't you like the Heat? Are you saying Heat play bad D? That's what he was saying.
 
#67
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GahLee said:
What does his career have to do with him pointing out some terrible basketball being played thus far?
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Seriously, if you think the basketball the west is playing is any better... no. The top seeds are elite compared to the bottom, the bottom is bad. East is good up and down. Amare and Carmelo are about to get swept. Sixers are up on the one seed. Yeah, they're down rose but still. I thought Sixers would challenge them prior.
 
#68
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The_Orange_Pearl said:
Because he was as inept as his opinion. Don't you like the Heat? Are you saying Heat play bad D? That's what he was saying.
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I'm not a Heat fan, I like LeBron and Wade though.

I didn't hear his comment just basing it off what you you said, there has been some bad offensive basketball so far. The Celtics/Hawks series is a prime example.
 
#71
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tvols75 said:
Maybe in the regular season where they can get by on just busting it on the defensive end in a shortened season, but in the playoffs they aren't even a top 10 team without Rose.
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I agree with everything you said except the part about the short season. The Bulls had the best record last year too. Defense wins championships.

The Bulls need to trade Boozer. Get a better BIG. That's what is holding them back. In a perfect world, trade for Al Jefferson.

/:lolabove: I can dream.
 
#75
#75
Nice put back by Iggy!


Bulls playing sloppy.


Then Hawes has any easy put back.


Turner taking a ton of bad shots. 0-4 in 5 minutes lol
 
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