Missing Malaysia Airlines Jet

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YorkVol said:
eh, hem...





The only difference would be the initial fire didn't kill the crew and the erratic flight pattern indicates they were attempting to fight it with their maneuvers.

Well, we're all just guessing until we find the plane...
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I think the more absurd the theories in the news get, the more likely people are to latch onto Occam's Razor and find the simplest explanation being favored.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I think the more absurd the theories in the news get, the more likely people are to latch onto Occam's Razor and find the simplest explanation being favored.
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I remember one evening when a neighborhood kid went missing. His parents had searched the house, then the yard and immediate neighborhood before calling the MPs and rallying the rest of the neighborhood for help. We searched in ever growing circles, expanding out further and further throughout the night to no avail. After several hours we met in the yard to discuss the next steps when someone looked up in the tree in their front yard and saw the kid clinging to a branch watching all of us.


Point is, sometimes what you are looking for is right under your nose. It would be informative to know if they adequately searched the coastal areas to the west of Malaysia as well as near Aceh Indonesia. Maybe Courtney Love is closer to the truth than we realize.
 
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volmaverick said:
The first turn that diverted Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 from its course was carried out through a computer system, not manually, further suggesting the pilot or co-pilot were involved in the disappearance.

First turn that diverted missing Malaysian Flight was PROGRAMMED into computer | Mail Online
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Links help. Doesn't mean the simple explanation is wrong. The pilot could have done that as an immediate reaction to an emergency situation on board. Article says 7-8 key strokes was all that was needed. So, fire starts, pilot aims for the nearest runway of adequate size while starting other emergency tasks.
 
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YorkVol said:
I remember one evening when a neighborhood kid went missing. His parents had searched the house, then the yard and immediate neighborhood before calling the MPs and rallying the rest of the neighborhood for help. We searched in ever growing circles, expanding out further and further throughout the night to no avail. After several hours we met in the yard to discuss the next steps when someone looked up in the tree in their front yard and saw the kid clinging to a branch watching all of us.


Point is, sometimes what you are looking for is right under your nose. It would be informative to know if they adequately searched the coastal areas to the west of Malaysia as well as near Aceh Indonesia. Maybe Courtney Love is closer to the truth than we realize.
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Okay, now think about what you just said, Courtney Love?

In seriousness, I think it's safe to assume this aircraft didn't land on a runway and has been concealed from sight by towing it into a hanger and repainting it and converting it to a manned cruise missile with a bunch of nukes on board and killing the passengers so nobody knows a thing.

But I do believe it very well could have crashed in the jungles of SE Asia and we would have a hard time finding it even with good satellite detection and a hard aerial search. Those jungles tend to swallow up things and even something as large as a 777 isn't going to leave a big footprint especially if it didn't crack up and burn on landing.

Still missing motive. Which I do believe to be planned on the part of the crew at this point.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Okay, now think about what you just said, Courtney Love?

In seriousness, I think it's safe to assume this aircraft didn't land on a runway and has been concealed from sight by towing it into a hanger and repainting it and converting it to a manned cruise missile with a bunch of nukes on board and killing the passengers so nobody knows a thing.

But I do believe it very well could have crashed in the jungles of SE Asia and we would have a hard time finding it even with good satellite detection and a hard aerial search. Those jungles tend to swallow up things and even something as large as a 777 isn't going to leave a big footprint especially if it didn't crack up and burn on landing.

Still missing motive. Which I do believe to be planned on the part of the crew at this point.
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The stolen for later use theory seems so far fetched given the effort required and the much easier alternatives to serve the same purpose.

I tend to think the second theory you posit is correct, but one wonders why go to the trouble of turning off transponders and other data relays, then flying for 5-7 more hours, only to crash it. Same thing: a lot of effort for no point.

One thing I've only heard a whiff of is wondering if the claims from radar about seeing the plane later are correct. My understanding is that these were just fleeting glances and that there was no effort made to identify whatever it was that was seen. So I wonder if these momentary glimpses were even of this plane.

If they weren't, and if we are dealing with the crew and everyone on board becoming incapacitated by lack of O2 due to depressurization, then perhaps the plane kept going but for whatever period just plain north, on its original path, rather than turned and showing up later for a moment west and south of where it otherwise would have been.

I guess my point is I wonder how reliable these radar images are and I wonder whether they might be of something else.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Okay, now think about what you just said, Courtney Love?

In seriousness, I think it's safe to assume this aircraft didn't land on a runway and has been concealed from sight by towing it into a hanger and repainting it and converting it to a manned cruise missile with a bunch of nukes on board and killing the passengers so nobody knows a thing.

But I do believe it very well could have crashed in the jungles of SE Asia and we would have a hard time finding it even with good satellite detection and a hard aerial search. Those jungles tend to swallow up things and even something as large as a 777 isn't going to leave a big footprint especially if it didn't crack up and burn on landing.

Still missing motive. Which I do believe to be planned on the part of the crew at this point.
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But it just has to be Islamists Grand Vol, just has to be right?
 
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Burhead said:
But it just has to be Islamists Grand Vol, just has to be right?
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Well yeah, that's assumed all of them just want to crash airplanes and kill people.

And especially doing so in order to draw the ire of a nation that so far has been content to sit on the sidelines in the whole war on terror bit (China)
 
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lawgator1 said:
The stolen for later use theory seems so far fetched given the effort required and the much easier alternatives to serve the same purpose.

I tend to think the second theory you posit is correct, but one wonders why go to the trouble of turning off transponders and other data relays, then flying for 5-7 more hours, only to crash it. Same thing: a lot of effort for no point.

One thing I've only heard a whiff of is wondering if the claims from radar about seeing the plane later are correct. My understanding is that these were just fleeting glances and that there was no effort made to identify whatever it was that was seen. So I wonder if these momentary glimpses were even of this plane.

If they weren't, and if we are dealing with the crew and everyone on board becoming incapacitated by lack of O2 due to depressurization, then perhaps the plane kept going but for whatever period just plain north, on its original path, rather than turned and showing up later for a moment west and south of where it otherwise would have been.

I guess my point is I wonder how reliable these radar images are and I wonder whether they might be of something else.
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Not too reliable if they saw the plane with its transponder off. Without that on more than likely the air traffic controllers just saw radar target with no information. That isn't something we get all jumpy about. The question is what type of equipment are they using over there? I can pull up everything that flies in Central Florida, gulf to Atlantic, over the past 90 days. I doubt most of those countries can.

I will bet that when all is said and done you will hear about the US building some long range coastal radars over in those parts. OTH (over the horizon) radars are used as early warning systems. They can have a range of 1600 miles. While not being able to track something heading southwest of their island for very long it would have allowed for a better idea of where it was going. Even the long range radars we use in the FAA could have made this a lot less of a mystery. I think the radars they are using only have a range of 50-60 miles.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I tend to think the second theory you posit is correct, but one wonders why go to the trouble of turning off transponders and other data relays, then flying for 5-7 more hours, only to crash it. Same thing: a lot of effort for no point.
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My conspiracy theory of the day? Which has a lot of holes in it mind you, but probably more plausible than aliens or a meteor.

The pilot and copilot decided to make a huge point in crashing said airliner in a 9/11 style attack over the jailed opposition leader. Turned the plane and at some point got cold feet before committing the attack. Knew they couldn't turn back so they headed north in an established airway mind you, possibly looking for another landing site to safely land and possibly disappear, leaving the passengers to fend for themselves. Things didn't go according to plan and they ended up having to crash land wherever they could.

Plausible, but there are a few wrenches that can be thrown into the theory.
 
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Grand Vol said:
You sure about that? You don't just go around whacking people with your battle axe and casting evil spells on them?
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I play Battlefield 4 like everyday is my last day...doesn't mean I am parachuting from helicopters onto buildings in downtown orlando with an RPG and taking out tanks.. :good!:
 
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Thailand may have picked up missing plane on radar, didn't speak up for 10 days
By The Associated Press March 18, 2014 - 11:09 am
 
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And speaking of the Chinese. Apparently the theory the aircraft went way beyond the intended flight plan is gaining some attention:

China launches new search for Malaysian jet as confusion mounts over timeline | Fox News

Reports by Chinese media quoted the ambassador, Huang Huikang, as saying search operations were taking place inside China along the northern route investigators believe the plane may have traveled, The Wall Street Journal reported. Details on the search were not immediately available.

"Factors involved in the incident continue to multiply, the area of search-and-rescue continues to broaden, and the level of difficulty increases, but as long as there is one thread of hope, we will continue an all-out effort," China Premier Li Keqiang said.
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Grand Vol said:
Which one?
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That it never turned, or at least not that dramatically. That the supposed radar fixes west and south are either incorrect altogether because their equipment looks like this:

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Or that the images briefly caught are of something other than this plane and they are just open guessing that it was this plane because that's what incompetent people do and

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lawgator1 said:
That it never turned, or at least not that dramatically. That the supposed radar fixes west and south are either incorrect altogether because their equipment looks like this:

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Or that the images briefly caught are of something other than this plane and they are just open guessing that it was this plane because that's what incompetent people do and

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Accurate depiction of their radar system.
 
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