Official Global Warming thread (merged)

[BartW]

get your theories straight, the skepticism regarding the theory of anthropogenic global warming is what we're talking about

there is no debate about climate change, the debate is whether or not man is having an effect and if so, how much

bart is quite capable of patting himself on the back, you don't need to be his little cheerleader

It's clearly not just AGW skepticism, what we're dealing with here is the broader phenomenon of science denialism. You think it's a coincidence the AGW 'skeptics' in here also think DDT, ozone depletion, acid rain, evolution, etc. are a conspiracy?

 

[MG1968]

It's clearly not just AGW skepticism, what we're dealing with here is the broader phenomenon of science denialism. You think it's a coincidence the AGW 'skeptics' in here also think DDT, ozone depletion, acid rain, evolution, etc. are a conspiracy?

It would be easier to take you more seriously Bart, if you had never started a thread about how Dooley should be allowed to keep his job.

 

[Orangeslice13]

That wouldn't be doing the science justice. The spectroscopic and isotopic evidence is undeniable. There are still specifics to work out like exactly how much will we warm and what will be the effects, but AGW is both theory and fact like gravity or evolution. Misrepresenting scientific uncertainty as actual doubt is dishonest.

Spectroscopy and stable-isotope geochemistry were developed and have a wide range of applications independent of climate science. It's not speculation. Nobody is going to "disprove" spectroscopy or stable-isotope geochemistry.

AGW is not and will never be a constant.
You are like herpes. You just won't go away. I keep thinking I'm done with you but you're a special kind of delusional, and for some reason I feel the need to keep coming back. I must enjoy others stupidity.

 

[zreeves]

get your theories straight, the skepticism regarding the theory of anthropogenic global warming is what we're talking about

there is no debate about climate change, the debate is whether or not man is having an effect and if so, how much

bart is quite capable of patting himself on the back, you don't need to be his little cheerleader

sorry i wasn't clear. when i said global warming i meant that humans were having an effect.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

sorry i wasn't clear. when i said global warming i meant that humans were having an effect.

Wow, next time be clear of what you mean. We aren't mind readers here.

 

[BartW]

AGW is not and will never be a constant.
You are like herpes. You just won't go away. I keep thinking I'm done with you but you're a special kind of delusional, and for some reason I feel the need to keep coming back. I must enjoy others stupidity.

That's why I stick around. Well-thought-out rebuttal, as always.

It would be easier to take you more seriously Bart, if you had never started a thread about how Dooley should be allowed to keep his job.

You can’t fire a head football coach in his second season. Yes Dooley failed but no coach would come here if we fired him in year 2. We can’t have a revolving coaches door. The people calling for his head back then were the same ones calling for Cuonzo’s three games into this season.

It would be easier to take you seriously if you didn’t bring up the DDT myth.

Hey BartW, do you get out much to post in other threads on this message board? If not you should. You've become a resident poster that lives in this thread. I don't see much of you anywhere else......I guess that's a good thing for us though. Have a nice day bro.

I post in other threads in /politics and around VN. I mostly lurk in the recruiting forum.

Anyhow I'm off to do more important things. Have a nice day fellas :hi:

 

[FLVOL_79]

To paraphrase a quote from Spaceballs, "Global warming is dumb".

In the 80's and early 90's schools hit heavy on global warming, our plastic soda bottle holder thingies were killing everything in the ocean, tuna was made from dolphin, and Rambo freed Afghanistan, acid rain that could turn you into a zombie, threat of nuclear holocaust followed by nuclear winter, etc. None of it happened. It was all BS.

If global warming had better proponents than "I created the Internet Al Gore" or John "Duck and cover" Kerry it might hold water today. And let's not forget the multitudes of so called climate scientists who have been exposed to falsify data to achieve an agenda. That isn't science that's politics.

Here is what global warming is. It's quack science that some high powered people latched onto. They invested SO much of themselves into it that even if proven BS they could never retract their stance. Climate Change became the preferred buzzword to provide ambiguity to a persons stance so that in the future when they find out it was all BS (again) they cannot be directly linked to said BS. That is one of the things Obama is good at. He can talk and talk and talk about a position and in the end still have said nothing of substance which would actually confirm his position on that subject. Politicking..

I changed the oil out on my lawnmower Friday..dumped the old oil out in the hibiscus bed..better than roundup :whistling:

 

[FLVOL_79]

It would be easier to take you more seriously Bart, if you had never started a thread about how Dooley should be allowed to keep his job.

:ermm:

Dooley should never have been hired. We had the Obama of AD's at the time.

 

[Orangeslice13]

That's why I stick around. Well-thought-out rebuttal, as always.

Like poking a turtle with a stick.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

Like poking a turtle with a stick.

Dang....beat me to it. :ermm:

 

[FLVOL69]

Dang....beat me to it. :ermm:

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[Sandvol]

It's clearly not just AGW skepticism, what we're dealing with here is the broader phenomenon of science denialism. You think it's a coincidence the AGW 'skeptics' in here also think DDT, ozone depletion, acid rain, evolution, etc. are a conspiracy?

Environmental Whacko-ism masquerading as science for the purpose of influencing lawmaking. Nothing else.

 

[FLVOL_79]

It's clearly not just AGW skepticism, what we're dealing with here is the broader phenomenon of science denialism. You think it's a coincidence the AGW 'skeptics' in here also think DDT, ozone depletion, acid rain, evolution, etc. are a conspiracy?

 

[FLVOL_79]

When global cooling starts..switch to the climate change terminology and declare it a "coincidence"..










Oh wait that's happening right now..

 

[FLVOL69]

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[BartW]

Wow, next time be clear of what you mean. We aren't mind readers here.

Lol, it’s obvious what he meant. Y’alls butthurt about the term ‘climate change’ is amusing.

To paraphrase a quote from Spaceballs, "Global warming is dumb".

In the 80's and early 90's schools hit heavy on global warming, our plastic soda bottle holder thingies were killing everything in the ocean, tuna was made from dolphin, and Rambo freed Afghanistan, acid rain that could turn you into a zombie, threat of nuclear holocaust followed by nuclear winter, etc. None of it happened. It was all BS.

If global warming had better proponents than "I created the Internet Al Gore" or John "Duck and cover" Kerry it might hold water today. And let's not forget the multitudes of so called climate scientists who have been exposed to falsify data to achieve an agenda. That isn't science that's politics.

Here is what global warming is. It's quack science that some high powered people latched onto. They invested SO much of themselves into it that even if proven BS they could never retract their stance. Climate Change became the preferred buzzword to provide ambiguity to a persons stance so that in the future when they find out it was all BS (again) they cannot be directly linked to said BS. That is one of the things Obama is good at. He can talk and talk and talk about a position and in the end still have said nothing of substance which would actually confirm his position on that subject. Politicking..

I changed the oil out on my lawnmower Friday..dumped the old oil out in the hibiscus bed..better than roundup :whistling:

When global cooling starts..switch to the climate change terminology and declare it a "coincidence"..

Oh wait that's happening right now..

Lol, another acid rain denialist. I literally just showed you why you’re wrong about the terminology myth, and without addressing my post, you come right back and post the exact same myth. You people are silly. Name the “multitudes of so called climate scientists who have been exposed,” and specifically which data they falsified. What, you can’t? Congratulations, you’ve fallen for and joined the smear campaign.

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Quote a single lie I’ve espoused, and tell me specifically what about it is not true. What, you can’t? Funny, because I’ve called people out on dozens of BS myths that have circulated in this thread.

Environmental Whacko-ism masquerading as science for the purpose of influencing lawmaking. Nothing else.

Environmental science is science just like any other field. They’re all interdisciplinary. You’re not just denying environmental sciences, you’re denying physics, chemistry, biology, astronomy…. You can’t pick and choose.

I hear the jimmies rustlin. As usual, the 'skeptic' posts are 100% innuendo and personal attacks with 0% substance. I’ve exposed your myths, I’ve exposed your tactics, and I’ve exposed your motivations. Nobody has a legitimate scientific objection to AGW, you just reject it because it conflicts with your religious and political belief system. Y’all can have your fun doing the dance of the idiots. I’ll try to let this thread die but I can’t resist dropping in to mock the more extreme absurdities like “the DDT ban was unfounded and killed millions.” VN gold

Anyway, resume your circlejerk

 

[Gramps]

Ross Perot would be proud of this thread. It has many, many graphs.

 

[FLVOL69]

Ross Perot would be proud of this thread. It has many, many graphs.

He was a funny little man. I'll never forget some speech of his where he said I'm all ears..lmao

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

Lol, it’s obvious what he meant. Y’alls butthurt about the term ‘climate change’ is amusing.




Lol, another acid rain denialist. I literally just showed you why you’re wrong about the terminology myth, and without addressing my post, you come right back and post the exact same myth. You people are silly. Name the “multitudes of so called climate scientists who have been exposed,” and specifically which data they falsified. What, you can’t? Congratulations, you’ve fallen for and joined the smear campaign.



Quote a single lie I’ve espoused, and tell me specifically what about it is not true. What, you can’t? Funny, because I’ve called people out on dozens of BS myths that have circulated in this thread.



Environmental science is science just like any other field. They’re all interdisciplinary. You’re not just denying environmental sciences, you’re denying physics, chemistry, biology, astronomy…. You can’t pick and choose.

I hear the jimmies rustlin. As usual, the 'skeptic' posts are 100% innuendo and personal attacks with 0% substance. I’ve exposed your myths, I’ve exposed your tactics, and I’ve exposed your motivations. Nobody has a legitimate scientific objection to AGW, you just reject it because it conflicts with your religious and political belief system. Y’all can have your fun doing the dance of the idiots. I’ll try to let this thread die but I can’t resist dropping in to mock the more extreme absurdities like “the DDT ban was unfounded and killed millions.” VN gold

Anyway, resume your circlejerk

Oh look.......BartW's back in the discussion. If we resume our circle jerk of denialism could you excuse yourself out of the thread? You made your point weeks ago or don't you remember that? Time for another wack-o scientist to carry the torch & cry me a river about how Global Warming will destroy the earth in a billion of years from now when we want even be here to know shjt about what happened. Thanks for the selfie above.....you don't look cute w/tin foil on your head.

 

[BartW]

Ross Perot would be proud of this thread. It has many, many graphs.

Sorry about all the graphs and information, but scientific explanations do not fit into sound bites. Did you read the Stewardship and Evangelical Environmentalism links? I'd like to hear y'alls thoughts on that.

Oh look.......BartW's back in the discussion. If we resume our circle jerk of denialism could you excuse yourself out of the thread? You made your point weeks ago or don't you remember that? Time for another wack-o scientist to carry the torch & cry me a river about how Global Warming will destroy the earth in a billion of years from now when we want even be here to know shjt about what happened.

You're free to circlejerk, I won't berate you people with science anymore. You're right, I've made my point. If anyone wants to have a real debate about the politics, instead of this fake debate about the science, I'll be happy to partake. But as long as the 'skeptics' just keep posting garbage in this thread I'll only occassionally drop in to ridicule them.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Fancy graphs posted on an internet message board makes the poster of those graphs correct. Question the validity of those graphs and you are a conspiracy whack nut. Typical BS. There appears to be quite a few out there who disagree with the global warming theory. If were such a fact then there would not be this much disagreement. There are many holes in this theory. Global warming is not scientific law.

 

[Sandvol]

Sorry about all the graphs and information, but scientific explanations do not fit into sound bites. Did you read the Stewardship and Evangelical Environmentalism links? I'd like to hear y'alls thoughts on that.



You're free to circlejerk, I won't berate you people with science anymore. You're right, I've made my point. If anyone wants to have a real debate about the politics, instead of this fake debate about the science, I'll be happy to partake. But as long as the 'skeptics' just keep posting garbage in this thread I'll only occassionally drop in to ridicule them.

Go cut and paste your Skeptical Science talking points on some other message board.

 

[BartW]

Go cut and paste your Skeptical Science talking points on some other message board.

Mr. hockeyschtick on que with the irony. I've provided numerous sources outside SS. The difference between my references and yours is I understand and fact-check what I'm posting while you just blindly copypaste. That's why I can defend my posts and you can't.

Fancy graphs posted on an internet message board makes the poster of those graphs correct. Question the validity of those graphs and you are a conspiracy whack nut. Typical BS. There appears to be quite a few out there who disagree with the global warming theory. If were such a fact then there would not be this much disagreement. There are many holes in this theory. Global warming is not scientific law.

There is a vast scientific consensus; you are being fooled by the exact same tactics used by the tobacco industry to deny the health risks of smoking. Questioning the validity of the data when it’s been reproduced countless times is an accusation of fraud, usually followed by the accusation that scientists are somehow in it for the money, in cahoots with liberals, and/or otherwise pushing some mysterious New World Order agenda. You are, by definition, conspiracy theorists. Embrace it. You’re in good company:

Scientific conspiracy theories (common ones I asked about in bold)
• The Codex Alimentarius is a plan to poison us all.
• It is only a matter of time before "they" start implanting RFID chips in humans.[1] (As described in the movie Conspiracy Theory starring Mel Gibson.)
• The Moon Landing was a hoax and was staged in a movie set.
• All scientists are trying to foist the false theory of Evolution on the public at the behest of Satan.
• Global warming is a hoax created by the UN and politically funded scientists/environmentalists, aided by Al Gore and many others to put cap and trade in place for monetary gain. See also: Climategate.
• AIDS was created by the CIA and deliberately spread by the WHO via polio inoculations in Africa, to reduce the world population.
• All scientists and politicians are trying to cover up:
o cold fusion.
o that AIDS is not caused by HIV infection.
o that mercury in the vaccines is causing autism.
• The United States is hiding UFO wreckage at Area 51.
• The UFO wreckage theory is used as a smokescreen by the government to cover up the fact that Area 51 is a testing ground for experimental aircraft.
• The United States Department of Defense (DOD) is experimenting with:
o ELF (Extremely Low Frequency) for communications and possibly mind control.
o HAARP (High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program) for possible use in "weather control" as a weapon.
• Green M&Ms (or in Canada, Smarties) contain aphrodisiacs.[2]
• The "Scalar Interferometer" is a powerful scalar wave superweapon that the Soviet Union used for years to modify weather in the rest of the world. See [1], [2]. It taps the quantum vacuum energy, using a method discovered by T. Henry Moray in the 1920s. It may have brought down the Columbia spacecraft [3]. See also [4].
• Water fluoridation is part of an insidious Communist plot to sap and impurify our precious bodily fluids.
• The "Russian woodpecker" over-the-horizon radar signals heard on shortwave radio are actually a Soviet mind control experiment. You can protect your brain by wearing you-know-what.
• The Earth is hollow, with a hole to the "underworld" located in the Arctic regions, protected by the world's superpowers, or flat, with an army of supersoldiers guarding the ice wall around the outside.
• The mass die-offs of honeybees are attributable to megacorporation's desire to control the food supply.
• The US government is operating a Stargate program and that the Iraq War may have been caused because Saddam Hussein had one.[3]
• That ample evidence of alien life and civilization exists in our solar system, but is covered up by NASA. See Mars Anomaly Research.
• Gravity -- the biggest conspiracy of them all. The only way to defy it, is for everyone to stop believing it. That's why birds can fly, no bird believes in it.
• Revolutionary free energy technology is being suppressed by governments and the oil industry.
• It is possible to power a normal car with plain water.
• Similarly, big oil and big science are conspiring to cover up methods of generating abiotic oil.
• The "cure" for cancer actually exists but is being suppressed by the government.
• The vaporous contrails left by commercial jets flying through cold air pockets are actually chemtrails which disperse some form of harmful chemical/biological agent/energy.
• Environmentalists banned DDT on an worldwide scale, which resulted in the deaths of millions in Africa. The liberal media covers for them.
• Project Blue Beam will be used by the antichrist when he comes to the Earth to trick people that Jesus has returned. This tactic was used in Operation Mongoose to brainwash the American troops into overthrowing Fidel Castro

 

[Sandvol]

Lol, it’s obvious what he meant. Y’alls butthurt about the term ‘climate change’ is amusing.




Lol, another acid rain denialist. I literally just showed you why you’re wrong about the terminology myth, and without addressing my post, you come right back and post the exact same myth. You people are silly. Name the “multitudes of so called climate scientists who have been exposed,” and specifically which data they falsified. What, you can’t? Congratulations, you’ve fallen for and joined the smear campaign.



Quote a single lie I’ve espoused, and tell me specifically what about it is not true. What, you can’t? Funny, because I’ve called people out on dozens of BS myths that have circulated in this thread.



Environmental science is science just like any other field. They’re all interdisciplinary. You’re not just denying environmental sciences, you’re denying physics, chemistry, biology, astronomy…. You can’t pick and choose.

I hear the jimmies rustlin. As usual, the 'skeptic' posts are 100% innuendo and personal attacks with 0% substance. I’ve exposed your myths, I’ve exposed your tactics, and I’ve exposed your motivations. Nobody has a legitimate scientific objection to AGW, you just reject it because it conflicts with your religious and political belief system. Y’all can have your fun doing the dance of the idiots. I’ll try to let this thread die but I can’t resist dropping in to mock the more extreme absurdities like “the DDT ban was unfounded and killed millions.” VN gold

Anyway, resume your circlejerk

No Bart it's just that most of us work for a living and we don't have the time to spend arguing with a fanatic like you. But, we know BS when we see it. Liberal loons will go to the ends of the Earth fabricating lies to support their cause. We wouldn't trust anything you posted. One thing this little exercise has done for me is to help me understand the fanaticism behind it. Every piece of new evidence that undermines your cause is to be attacked with vigor. The mass psychosis of your cause undermines any chance at real science.

 

[BartW]

No Bart it's just that most of us work for a living and we don't have the time to spend arguing with a fanatic like you. But, we know BS when we see it. Liberal loons will go to the ends of the Earth fabricating lies to support their cause. We wouldn't trust anything you posted. One thing this little exercise has done for me is to help me understand the fanaticism behind it. Every piece of new evidence that undermines your cause is to be attacked with vigor. The mass psychosis of your cause undermines any chance at real science.

I'm busier than you bub. The reasons I can give detailed responses are (1) I already know what's wrong with your argument, I'm just linking articles to show my posts are supported by peer-reviewed research (2) my background and BS detector (better than yours - I'm a scientist) make it easy to sift through the interwebz for relevant information, and (3) I have reality on my side. You never give specifics about anything. You never present evidence, you copypaste crap from hockeyschtick that you neither read nor understand. It's a disgrace to true skepticism.