Missing Malaysia Airlines Jet

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Grand Vol said:
If memory serves, it was a 747, but that was without explosives.

Not necessarily concerned about it making it all the way to the US. It should be detected and identified long before it got anywhere close to a nuclear station.
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One would hope we could identify and knock it down. However there are nuclear plants all over the world.

Heck the target could be something else, Hoover Dam would make a nice target and would cause massive destruction for example.
 
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hog88 said:
One would hope we could identify and knock it down. However there are nuclear plants all over the world.

Heck the target could be something else, Hoover Dam would make a nice target and would cause massive destruction for example.
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But think of the shovel ready jobs that would be as a result.

:yes:
 
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I think Septic's reference to Payne Stewart is going to end up being the closest to what happened.

There have been a couple of cockpit fires in the 777 reported over the last few years.
The guy on the oil rig reported seeing a plane on fire
There is conflicting info that the engine monitoring system continued to report for up to 4 hours after the transponder shut down

Here is what I think happened: There was a sudden fire in the cockpit that was significant enough to kill the crew and knock out the electronics. The result was a low oxygen atmosphere that killed the passengers, but the plane itself was not destroyed. The plane then continued to fly until it lost altitude and crashed in the ocean. They'll either find it at the bottom of the Mariana Trench in the Pacific, or, if the Malaysian radar was actually correct, they'll find it at the bottom of the Indian Ocean.

jmo
 
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YorkVol said:
I think Septic's reference to Payne Stewart is going to end up being the closest to what happened.

There have been a couple of cockpit fires in the 777 reported over the last few years.
The guy on the oil rig reported seeing a plane on fire
There is conflicting info that the engine monitoring system continued to report for up to 4 hours after the transponder shut down

Here is what I think happened: There was a sudden fire in the cockpit that was significant enough to kill the crew and knock out the electronics. The result was a low oxygen atmosphere that killed the passengers, but the plane itself was not destroyed. The plane then continued to fly until it lost altitude and crashed in the ocean. They'll either find it at the bottom of the Mariana Trench in the Pacific, or, if the Malaysian radar was actually correct, they'll find it at the bottom of the Indian Ocean.

jmo
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At least one pilot is supposed to be on oxygen, so unless that system failed along with depressuration I doubt it's another PS situation.
 
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#655
Working for the FAA I find this situation bothersome. It is bothersome in regards that these countries can lose radar/beacon contact with an aircraft for so long before realizing something is wrong. That's pretty sad.
 
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hog88 said:
At least one pilot is supposed to be on oxygen, so unless that system failed along with depressuration I doubt it's another PS situation.
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Retraction.

I just spoke with an ATP, they are not required to be on oxygen however they do have masks available that can be donned in 10-15 seconds. Plus in a massive decompression situation the plane automatically desends to around 14,000 feet.
 
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hog88 said:
One would hope we could identify and knock it down. However there are nuclear plants all over the world.

Heck the target could be something else, Hoover Dam would make a nice target and would cause massive destruction for example.
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I certainly can't speak for all, but I've been inside the First Energy nuclear facility in Perry, OH (one of the largest in the U.S.) and that place is set up quite well from a security perspective. There are numerous options in place for various types of "events" that may occur... including being at the shores Lake Erie and quickly flooding the whole facility.
 
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Velo Vol said:
One thing that doesn't square with that (if it turned west, per radar) is that it was flying low.
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hog88 said:
Retraction.

I just spoke with an ATP, they are not required to be on oxygen however they do have masks available that can be donned in 10-15 seconds. Plus in a massive decompression situation the plane automatically desends to around 14,000 feet.
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At 14,000 feet there is sufficient oxygen for the crew and passengers to breath and operate with little or no problem. But if there was a catastrophic event that knocked out electronics it may have prevented that descent initially. Over time the plane could lose altitude depending on where the flaps were set when the event occurred.

Of course this is all pure speculation.
 
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YorkVol said:
At 14,000 feet there is sufficient oxygen for the crew and passengers to breath and operate with little or no problem.
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If the west turn theory is believed there's some evidence that the plane was flying at 3,000 feet or below.
 
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YorkVol said:
At 14,000 feet there is sufficient oxygen for the crew and passengers to breath and operate with little or no problem. But if there was a catastrophic event that knocked out electronics it may have prevented that descent initially. Over time the plane could lose altitude depending on where the flaps were set when the event occurred.

Of course this is all pure speculation.
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But even sudden decompression would not lead to the pilots blacking out before they could get on Os. There would have had to been multiple system and backup system failures for this to be a Payne Stewart situation.
 
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hog88 said:
Retraction.

I just spoke with an ATP, they are not required to be on oxygen however they do have masks available that can be donned in 10-15 seconds. Plus in a massive decompression situation the plane automatically desends to around 14,000 feet.
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It depends on what causes the loss of cabin pressure and how catastrophic it was. I can see where a pilot may be so distracted with trying to aviate that lack of oxygen wouldn't be a priority, until it was too late.

Pilots are taught in an emergency to aviate, navigate and communicate - in that order.

I'm beginning to think if they don't find this plane soon the debris will be so spread out from current and wind that they may never find the flight data recorder. The navy needs to start dropping hydrophones in the water - but where to start?
 
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I have this funny feeling that in the next few days there is going to be a huge break in this with what the Malaysians know and just haven't told anyone yet. Perhaps the aircraft won't have been found yet, but I still get this sneaking suspicion that they know a lot more than they are letting on.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I have this funny feeling that in the next few days there is going to be a huge break in this with what the Malaysians know and just haven't told anyone yet. Perhaps the aircraft won't have been found yet, but I still get this sneaking suspicion that they know a lot more than they are letting on.
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Agreed.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I have this funny feeling that in the next few days there is going to be a huge break in this with what the Malaysians know and just haven't told anyone yet. Perhaps the aircraft won't have been found yet, but I still get this sneaking suspicion that they know a lot more than they are letting on.
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I get the same impression. But I can't tell if its just because the spokesman I see for them every time is looking down when he speaks and never looks anyone in the eye.
 
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Anyone remember the dry run on the electrical grid out in CA? What would a complete grid shutdown on the west coast do to our coastal radar?
 
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hog88 said:
Anyone remember the dry run on the electrical grid out in CA? What would a complete grid shutdown on the west coast do to our coastal radar?
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Depends on the radar. A lot of military sets have generator backups so they wouldn't lose the ability to track.
 
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