Ukraine Protests

[volprof]

Hopefully, history will not repeat itself.

Looks like our armed Ukrainian military man isn't Gavrilo, at least for today.

 

[Velo Vol]

Hopefully, history will not repeat itself.

We won't make the same mistakes.

 

[Abe Hoffman]

Looks like our armed Ukrainian military man isn't Gavrilo, at least for today.

Good. We do not need someone starting World War III.

 

[Grand Vol]

We won't make the same mistakes.

Did Gavrilo Princip pose with a horse as well?

 

[FLVOL69]

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[Abe Hoffman]

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Good selfie.

 

[Grand Vol]

Good selfie.

Can't be a selfie, it would have been the other side.

Sorry 69, I couldn't resist.

 

[Abe Hoffman]

Can't be a selfie, it would have been the other side.

Sorry 69, I couldn't resist.

69 is my cousin. Give him a break. He is the black sheep of the family.

 

[Grand Vol]

69 is my cousin. Give him a break. He is the black sheep of the family.

Meh, better a black sheep than a horse's A$$.

 

[Abe Hoffman]

Meh, better a black sheep than a horse's A$$.

That is the million dollar question.

 

[volprof]

Something I've not really thought about. If the crisis in the Ukraine persists, not only might Russia have to worry about various insurgencies in its South but possibly even on its Central Asian borders. An amazing set of circumstances would have to put this potential political patchwork together though.


Could the Arab revolt hit 'Pipelineistan'? - Opinion - Al Jazeera English

And I might add that "Pepe Escobar" is a great name. Sounds like he should have gone into porn instead of journalism.

 

[Burhead]

80,000 Russian troops, tanks, APCs, and SPAs massing on Ukrainian border

Red Army masses on Ukraine border: 80,000 troops and missile launchers spark invasion fear | Mail Online

 

[Grand Vol]

80,000 Russian troops, tanks, APCs, and SPAs massing on Ukrainian border

Red Army masses on Ukraine border: 80,000 troops and missile launchers spark invasion fear | Mail Online

This should raise a few eyebrows:

This would landlock the Ukraine which in turn would have them rely on the Russian held territory for exports.

 

[Burhead]

This should raise a few eyebrows:

This would landlock the Ukraine which in turn would have them rely on the Russian held territory for exports.

I am extremely skeptical on that map.

 

[Grand Vol]

I am extremely skeptical on that map.

All or nothing?

 

[Burhead]

All or nothing?

I don't doubt that Putin wants more what I'm doubting is how they got this map.

 

[Grand Vol]

I don't doubt that Putin wants more what I'm doubting is how they got this map.

Same way we get our intelligence estimates...

They guessed lol

In seriousness, I'm wondering how the pro-Russian population of the Ukraine would overlay with that map.

 

[IBlvNTmWrk]

Did Gavrilo Princip pose with a horse as well?

So John Kerry walks into a bar, and the bartender says...

"Why the long face?"

 

[volinbham]

80,000 Russian troops, tanks, APCs, and SPAs massing on Ukrainian border

For some reason this reminded me of Canadian Bacon where they talked about how much of the Canadian population was near the US border

 

[volprof]

I don't doubt that Putin wants more what I'm doubting is how they got this map.

I think that map was probably drafted in relation to the comments provided by the former Russian aide cited in the article you linked. He mentioned cities in the Ukraine that Putin would have his eye on, and this is the map that would link those cities.

 

[Velo Vol]

Surely Putin is not crazy enough to invade Ukraine.

Not that there would likely be much combat--there probably wouldn't. But then what?

His foray into Crimea is one thing. It has natural boundaries, Russian bases, and was already pro-Russian. Going into the mainland would add several layers of difficulty.

How far would Russia go? Would troops occupy the territory? Would it be added to Russia?

It's easier to start a "war" than it is to finish one.

 

[Grand Vol]

Surely Putin is not crazy enough to invade Ukraine.

Not that there would likely be much combat--there probably wouldn't. But then what?

His foray into Crimea is one thing. It has natural boundaries, Russian bases, and was already pro-Russian. Going into the mainland would add several layers of difficulty.

How far would Russia go? Would troops occupy the territory? Would it be added to Russia?

It's easier to start a "war" than it is to finish one.

I don't know. I think the more operative question would be "is Putin crazy enough to invade the Ukraine?"

And more importantly, what would the world reaction be? Sanctions? Fuel an insurgency vis a vie Afghanistan? Allow any former Soviet State into NATO that wants in? Renewal of the Cold War? Use military force to remove the Russians?

Long term strategic thinking here, what would be the long term implications of Russia invading the Ukraine and furthermore, what are the long term implications that the EU and the US could impose?

Thing about the Crimea...being that there is a significant Russian presence there it still wasn't right for the Russians to occupy it. It's basically a land grab reminiscent of Hitler moving into the Sudetenland "for security purposes." So where does he stop? Does he consider annexing the Ukraine as a natural buffer zone against encroachment from Europe?

Unfortunately, Putin to the US is much like Reagan was to the Soviets. They believed he was just crazy enough to start WWIII and destroy them. He was unpredictable and they had no idea how to deal with him.

Much the same way we are with Putin right now. We have no idea what he's going to do next and we have no good plans to counter what he is doing.

 

[Burhead]

Surely Putin is not crazy enough to invade Ukraine.

Not that there would likely be much combat--there probably wouldn't. But then what?

His foray into Crimea is one thing. It has natural boundaries, Russian bases, and was already pro-Russian. Going into the mainland would add several layers of difficulty.

How far would Russia go? Would troops occupy the territory? Would it be added to Russia?

It's easier to start a "war" than it is to finish one.

He and his supporters are going to rally support in the south & east and claim Russians living there are being harassed. Than pro-Moscow local leaders will start taking more control and start requesting protection from the Russian military. After Putin has written requests he will use that as a casus belli to roll Russian tanks over the border to, "Protect ethnic Russians from the neo-fascists and criminals in Kiev."

 

[UTVOLFAN]

Surely Putin is not crazy enough to invade Ukraine.

Not that there would likely be much combat--there probably wouldn't. But then what?

His foray into Crimea is one thing. It has natural boundaries, Russian bases, and was already pro-Russian. Going into the mainland would add several layers of difficulty.

How far would Russia go? Would troops occupy the territory? Would it be added to Russia?

It's easier to start a "war" than it is to finish one.

You'd be surprised how crazy he could be.

 

[volprof]

You'd be surprised how crazy he could be.

Now I was under the impression that he is a cool, calculated, intelligent leader.