What if Pearl were 100% out of the picture?

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bleedingTNorange said:
Top 200 is generally high major level players.

Are you saying Thompson, Moore and Davis aren't talented enough to play for Tennessee? We likely won't have the top end talent Florida and Kentucky will, or probably LSU...but our 5,6,7 and 8 will be much better than most of the SEC from a talent standpoint IMO.

I'll make this real simple...he said next years squad has 10th or worse talent on it's roster, given how horrible CCM is, no way he overachieves right? So you guys are saying we finish around 12th or worse?

I'll take any bets that say we finish 10th or worse next year in conference.
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Would Thompson, Moore or Davis play meaningful minutes at Florida? At Kentucky? They're nice role players, but they will not have Tennessee playing at an elite level.

Good to know you think our "5, 6, 7 and 8 will be much better than most of the SEC"...but what does that matter when your 1 - 4 won't be?

Rationalize it, spin it, do some sentence diagramming...however you want to break it down, doesn't really matter. Fact is, with CCM here much longer, we're taking the plunge back into mediocrity!!
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Here's my post you quoted...



You don't see the issue in your point?

Lulz, this is like trying to have a debate with Radio.
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You keep moving the target. First it was 9 top 150 players. Then it was 9 top 200 players. Now all of those top 200 players will contribute but you had no problem saying that Martin was hamstrung his first year because he inherited Hall and Woolridge who couldn't play a lick. Yet those guys were top 200 players (top 50 with Woolridge if I remember correctly).

How bout this for a bet...since you think we have top 4 talent and I think it's about 10th, you win if we finish top 4 in the conference and I win if we finish 10th or worst in the conference? Anywhere in between is a wash. Interested?

For someone that said Zo is not our long term solution you sure do have a lot of confidence in him.
 
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volbeast33 said:
I think he is safe regardless and if he keeps us playing defense like we have the past three games and into next yr, my worries about his recruiting will be proven unsubstantiated bc defense can win alot of ball games while our players grow.
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That's the equalizer. You get a group full of guys willing to play defense and you can make up for the perceived lack of talent and firepower we will have.
 
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volbeast33 said:
I do think to be the program we want to be, we should have a good portion of our roster from solid top 100 players with a mixture of 100-200 players filling out the rest of our roster. I love all 3 of the players that you mentioned but all 3 have significant flaws in their games.

D Thompson is slow and has trouble defending the PG position and as of right now struggles greatly with his shot( you yourself stated that you couldnt see him playing starters minutes bc of some of his deficiencies), A Moore( My favorite) is a PF stuck in a shooting guards body.....hard for him to see major minutes bc he is a player without a position....AJ Davis is the same thing.....more of a SF but not dynamic enough to play out there and not able to play PF for significant minutes bc he gets shoved around down there.
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In fairness I said that about Thompson and PG...Austin will start at pg IMO with Thompson spelling him and getting minutes behind Hubbs at the 2.
 
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lostsheep said:
Would Thompson, Moore or Davis play meaningful minutes at Florida? At Kentucky? They're nice role players, but they will not have Tennessee playing at an elite level.
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No, and I haven't said we would be better than either. All I have been saying is that our roster isn't 10th or worse, and that's it.
 
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NYC Vol said:
You keep moving the target. First it was 9 top 150 players. Then it was 9 top 200 players. Now all of those top 200 players will contribute but you had no problem saying that Martin was hamstrung his first year because he inherited Hall and Woolridge who couldn't play a lick. Yet those guys were top 200 players (top 50 with Woolridge if I remember correctly).

How bout this for a bet...since you think we have top 4 talent and I think it's about 10th, you win if we finish top 4 in the conference and I win if we finish 10th or worst in the conference? Anywhere in between is a wash. Interested?

For someone that said Zo is not our long term solution you sure do have a lot of confidence in him.
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Where did I say our talent was top 4?

I'm taking it you realized how dumb your, 10th or worse comment was and are now backing off it?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Where did I say our talent was top 4?

I'm taking it you realized how dumb your, 10th or worse comment was and are now backing off it?
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You asked how many teams have 5*. There are 3. Aren't we to assume that you asked that not because you don't know how the internet works and couldn't look it up or was it to make a point that we have more talent than all teams that don't have a 5*?

So in this thread, you have said:

- we have more 5* than almost everyone. Inference is that we're more talented
- we have 9 top 150 players on 247
- DT is not top 150 on 247 but is rivals so let's use that
- we have 9 top 200 players when using either site at various times during recruitment
- we have more talent than anyone but UF, UK and maybe LSU
- you deny that you said in another thread that Zo is not long term solution even though you clearly did (please don't make me look it up. Shouldn't it be obvious that I can find answers that combat your dumb assertions?)

I think you're the VolNation vff. You would switch your position in a heartbeat just to argue with someone. You seemingly comment on every thread and you move the target to fit your argument. How many times did you move the ball in this thread alone to fit your argument? "You think we're 10th best? We have 9 top 150 players. Use 247. Why did you change sites? Oh, we don't? Well DT was top 150 on rivals. So YOU can't change sites but I can. What, we don't have 9 top 150 players? Well we definitely have 9 top 200 players. Doesn't matter if they only rank 150. In my mind they're top 200".

Keep trying buddy. Keep calling my argument dumb. We'll see next year IF Zo is still the coach. 8-10 the 1st year before Stokes joined. That's where we're going to be again.
 
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Like I said, I'll make this real simple for you NYC. You made the statement our roster is 10th or worse. You have made it known how horrible CCM is as a coach, so no way he overachieves with a horrible roster according to you.

So...you're saying 10th or worse in conference next year, I'm saying 9th or better....what would you like to wager bro. If you're not willing to take that bet, is it because you've got faith in Martin to coach above the talent level or that maybe we're more talented than you originally thought?
 
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iluvsmesumdooley said:
No. That is asinine and you know it. But this is a team with Sweet 16 talent. A one and done in the Big Dance should get him fired.
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It's only slightly more asinine than the ones in this very thread who have said even if we made the Final Four, they'd still want Pearl back.

I didn't say it, they did, and they were serious.
 
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GAVol said:
That makes no sense. By that logic we would have fired Pearl multiple times.
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Not to mention no one seems to want to acknowledge his best team grossly underachieved in the NCAAT. After it's brought up, the conversation is switched back to "But he made the NCAAT 6 times".
 
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SGMVols said:
All he has to do is make the tournament and he's back.
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Link?

Your opinion is not fact. I base this on the fact that you're almost always wrong about everything you say.

Good to know you have low standards though. No wonder you still support Kiffin even after he screwed Tennessee over and bombed at USC.

If the Cuonz can't make it to the SEC Championship or Sweet 16, he should be fired. Your standards are simply making the tournament though lol. He came close to just making it in the past 2 seasons. You think the slightest of improvement in year 3 by making the tournament is good? Good God is more like it. Embarrassing standards you have. And that doesn't even include that watching this style of play is about as exciting as watching paint dry.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
That's the equalizer. You get a group full of guys willing to play defense and you can make up for the perceived lack of talent and firepower we will have.
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I think it is more on the coach....I see someone like O'neill and he could have me and my buddies playing SEC caliber defense(exagerration) and Aaron Green told me that O'Neill taught him more about defense than all the other coaches he played under combined. I do think a coach can grow....that was what disappointed me most about Zo was our defense was not good when he took over. If he has gotten that figured out, then he may be alright but a 3 game stretch is a pretty small sample size.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Like I said, I'll make this real simple for you NYC. You made the statement our roster is 10th or worse. You have made it known how horrible CCM is as a coach, so no way he overachieves with a horrible roster according to you.

So...you're saying 10th or worse in conference next year, I'm saying 9th or better....what would you like to wager bro. If you're not willing to take that bet, is it because you've got faith in Martin to coach above the talent level or that maybe we're more talented than you originally thought?
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Okay. I'll bet. Will that shut you up? Here's another lie from you..."I only wanted to dispute that we were 10th best". Yet you said explicitly we have top 5 talent. That's why I threw that other wager out. But just like vff, you conveniently ignore hat you preciously said. Seriously, are you vff?

So what are we getting? $1000? I'm in. Put your money where your mouth is partner.

Let me guess your reply "why would I ever wager with someone on the internet? There's no guarantee I would get paid. Blah, blah, blah..."
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Kinda like josh, shots improved nicely huh?
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I do feel Darius has the best chance of improving of the three....He is not Josh and their is no guarantee of improvement....There are several players that come into college with a subpar shot and leave with a subpar shot.
 
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volbeast33 said:
I think it is more on the coach....I see someone like O'neill and he could have me and my buddies playing SEC caliber defense(exagerration) and Aaron Green told me that O'Neill taught him more about defense than all the other coaches he played under combined. I do think a coach can grow....that was what disappointed me most about Zo was our defense was not good when he took over. If he has gotten that figured out, then he may be alright but a 3 game stretch is a pretty small sample size.
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It's been pretty solid all 4 games we've won in a row on this stretch.
 
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NYC Vol said:
Okay. I'll bet. Will that shut you up?

So what are we getting? $1000? I'm in. Put your money where your mouth is partner.

Let me guess your reply "why would I ever wager with someone on the internet? There's no guarantee I would get paid. Blah, blah, blah..."
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Absolutely I'm in, 10th place or worse you win, 9th or better I win. Simple enough?
 
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volbeast33 said:
I do feel Darius has the best chance of improving of the three....He is not Josh and their is no guarantee of improvement....There are several players that come into college with a subpar shot and leave with a subpar shot.
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Except darius didn't come in with a subpar shot
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Not to mention no one seems to want to acknowledge his best team grossly underachieved in the NCAAT. After it's brought up, the conversation is switched back to "But he made the NCAAT 6 times".
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Not really, if its the team I am thinking of we got whipped physically by Louisville in the sweet sixteen...Part of what derailed that season was we had issues at the end of the season with something happening to our PG's( cant remember right off hand) We had to use J Howell for alot of minutes there and he was severely over matched. It was a disappointing end to the season though.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Not to mention no one seems to want to acknowledge his best team grossly underachieved in the NCAAT. After it's brought up, the conversation is switched back to "But he made the NCAAT 6 times".
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By grossly underachieved, you mean??

2 seed- lost 2nd round. Underachieved by 2 rounds
5 seed- lost 3rd round. Overachieved by 1 round
2 seed- lost 3rd round. Underachieved by 1 round
9 seed- lost 1st round. On target
6 seed- lost 4th round. Overachieved by 2 rounds
9 seed- lost 1st round. on target

By my calculations, that's not only NOT grossly underachieving, that's NOT underachieving at all. Seems like it's pretty much on par.

But boy, what I wouldn't give to grossly underachieve like that again...
 
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NYC Vol said:
Done. I'll let you buy out now for $800
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I'm so confident I'll let you buy out for $999, I'll save you a dollar.

You underestimate just how bad the bottom of the SEC is IMO, our SEC schedule next year is very favorable.
 
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