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I'm glad you are so vocal about this. I look forward to you protesting and speaking out about the legalization of pot.



AGRICULTURE: Pot growers inhale 1% of U.S. electricity, exhale GHGs of 3M cars — study (04/11/2011)

Colin Sullivan, E&E reporter
Indoor marijuana cultivation consumes enough electricity to power 2 million average-sized U.S. homes, which corresponds to about 1 percent of national power consumption, according to a study by a staff scientist at the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory.

Researcher Evan Mills’ study notes that cannabis production has largely shifted indoors, especially in California, where medical marijuana growers use high-intensity lights usually reserved for operating rooms that are 500 times more powerful that a standard reading lamp.

The resulting price tag is about $5 billion in annual electricity costs, said Mills, who conducted and published the research independently from the Berkeley lab. The resulting contribution to greenhouse gas emissions equals about 3 million cars on the road, he said.

Narrowing the implications even further reveals some staggering numbers. Mills said a single marijuana cigarette represents 2 pounds of CO2 emissions, an amount equal to running a 100-watt light bulb for 17 hours.

“The added electricity use [to an average home] is equivalent to running about 30 refrigerators,” Mills wrote. “Processed cannabis results in 3,000 times its weight in CO2 emissions. For off-grid production, it requires 70 gallons of diesel fuel to produce one indoor cannabis plant, or 140 gallons with smaller, less-efficient gasoline generators.”

Mills went on to compare an average pot-growing facility to the electric power intensity of a data center. In California, which is the top producing state and one of 17 states to allow medical use of marijuana, cultivation accounts for 3 percent of all electricity use and 8 percent of household use, he said.

Mills added that he completed his research with no external sponsorship, insisting that he does not mean to pass judgment on the merits of cannabis cultivation or use. He also suggested that the minimal amount of information available and the almost complete lack of regulation of the industry mean energy consumption could easily be lowered.

“If improved practices applicable to commercial agricultural greenhouses are any indication, the energy use for indoor cannabis production can be reduced dramatically,” he said. “Cost-effective efficiency improvements of 75 percent are conceivable, which would yield energy savings of about $25,000/year for a generic 10-module growing room.”

Mills, a member of the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, drew his data from open literature and interviews with horticultural equipment retailers.

By some estimates, marijuana has long been the largest cash crop in the United States — ahead of corn, soybeans and hay. The industry has been pegged at about $40 billion in value, with California, Tennessee, Kentucky, Hawaii and Washington the top five production states.

Water consumption is also an issue when it comes to environmental impact, with each marijuana plant said to need between 3 and 5 gallons of water per day to grow to fruition.

Last time I checked, cannabis grows quite well when a seed is stuck in the ground and left to it's own devices. Indoor growing is only necessitated by it's being deemed "illegal", thus the energy consumption for clandestine grows will continue to grow. Until we can grow our own in peace, which was and should still be the case.
 
The changes in the climate (global warming) may not affect me personally. But ignoring and summarily dismissing said change is hurtful to us all, especially over the next 50-200 years.

Or we can just sit back and watch the rich get richer while patting us on the head and telling us "don't worry, it's ok".

Global warming is still an infantile research topic, but clearly the research is necessary. No matter what one profiteer has led you to believe.

If WB wanted to get even richer, he would be screaming about GW and charging higher insurance rates. But he isn't. Why? Because he has hires the best and brightest to give him advice.

Meanwhile you want to believe in bureaucrats who work at some lame govt agency or university who are depending on grants and tenure

I'll take Buffets guys vs govt/universty guys everyday all day
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Carbon Tax

By global I don't mean collected by a global agency. Tax revenue would go to the respective governments to be used as they see fit. Hopefully it would be reinvested

So, America's carbon tax stays in America? UK in UK, etc?
 
Last time I checked, cannabis grows quite well when a seed is stuck in the ground and left to it's own devices. Indoor growing is only necessitated by it's being deemed "illegal", thus the energy consumption for clandestine grows will continue to grow. Until we can grow our own in peace, which was and should still be the case.


Incorrect. The article addresses all aspects. You are killing the planet. And taking my children along for the ride.

That, or you are a hypocrite.
 
Last time I checked, cannabis grows quite well when a seed is stuck in the ground and left to it's own devices. Indoor growing is only necessitated by it's being deemed "illegal", thus the energy consumption for clandestine grows will continue to grow. Until we can grow our own in peace, which was and should still be the case.

Agreed.
Legalize pot before the climate kills us all.
 
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So, America's carbon tax stays in America? UK in UK, etc?

Carbon taxes can be bought and traded between business's to relieve themselves of the penalty assessed from their respective carbon foot print. It's a joke.
 
Huh? These plants were here thousands of years before me, you or your kids. They evolved right along with the other flora and fauna. And the world hasn't imploded yet. The burning of fossil fuels will prove to be far more detrimental to your kids than me burning a spliff.

But this is not the weed thread. There is a place for this argument.
 
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Carbon taxes can be bought and traded between business's to relieve themselves of the penalty assessed from their respective carbon foot print. It's a joke.

No. It's real. It's a catastrophe. I'm trying to learn how we can save ourselves and our planet.
 
Huh? These plants were here thousands of years before me, you or your kids. They evolved right along with the other flora and fauna. And the world hasn't imploded yet. The burning of fossil fuels will prove to be far more detrimental to your kids than me burning a spliff.

But this is not the weed thread. There is a place for this argument.

That's what I thought. Don't screw with the weed. Regardless of what it does to the planet. Nice pimp.

It's all or nothing buddy.
 
Huh? These plants were here thousands of years before me, you or your kids. They evolved right along with the other flora and fauna. And the world hasn't imploded yet. The burning of fossil fuels will prove to be far more detrimental to your kids than me burning a spliff.

But this is not the weed thread. There is a place for this argument.

Where are your b****es, Mr. Big Time Pimp?
 
Agreed.
Legalize pot before the climate kills us all.

It hasn't been legal in years. Still hasn't stopped anyone from enjoying it. The climate is not going to kill anyone anytime time soon either.

But when you have nothing else, start a frivolous side argument. Kind of takes the attention off of getting housed in the global warming "debate".

Sort of.
 
Bart, are there circumstances where a person, business, or country opt out of carbon taxation?
 
That's what I thought. Don't screw with the weed. Regardless of what it does to the planet. Nice pimp.

It's all or nothing buddy.

The planet created it. I merely put it to good use. First I have heard of chronic being scapegoated in the Global warming discussion. I will definitely look into it. But since there are more ways to partake than just burning it, it appears to be "much ado about nothing".

But I'll check it out, for your kids...
 
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It hasn't been legal in years. Still hasn't stopped anyone from enjoying it. The climate is not going to kill anyone anytime time soon either.

But when you have nothing else, start a frivolous side argument. Kind of takes the attention off of getting housed in the global warming "debate".

Sort of.

You are fos. It's not a side argument. It's fact. It directly corresponds with your global warming ideology. Whether it's car,truck, trains or weed. It is part of the ideology you believe. ( well at least the part that doesn't screw with what you want)
 
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Contractor.
Baths, kitchens,ect.
I also build and install solar tables for Solar Tech.
And I said solar and wind should be focused on the individual.
You may have noticed I'm walking my talk.

Good for you. I guess it doesn't matter how nonviable solar is as long as someone pays you to build it :)

I still think top-down solutions will be more effective than bottom-up but you have my support 100%


It is humbling and humorous that, before the industrial revolution, bovine flatulence was the only way an alien civilization could determine that life inhabits Earth.
 
It hasn't been legal in years. Still hasn't stopped anyone from enjoying it. The climate is not going to kill anyone anytime time soon either.

But when you have nothing else, start a frivolous side argument. Kind of takes the attention off of getting housed in the global warming "debate".

Sort of.

May have been a poor attempt at humor, but I'm in favor of legalizing pot.
 
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Thanks to all involved for hijacking this thread. This was a scientific discussion. Nothing to do with me, weed or pimps.

This thread would be better with more pimps weed and you.

Btw,..Stop killing mother earth with your addiction.
 
Bart, are there circumstances where a person, business, or country opt out of carbon taxation?

Are there or should there be? Current carbon tax policies vary from country to country. I suspect most have exceptions in one form or another
 
You are fos. It's not a side argument. It's fact. It directly corresponds with your global warming ideology. Whether it's car,truck, trains or weed. It is part of the ideology you believe. ( well at least the part that doesn't screw with what you want)

Fos? If you say so. I haven't seen a correlation between weed and global warming. But it does make sense. Do you think if everyone in the world quit smoking that the ice sheets would grow back? Or some other useful effect will be enacted? Like maybe slowing down the effect of greenhouse gases on the atmosphere? Not sure what you are even getting at. Other than taking a shot at me personally (join the crowd). But whatever your aim, good luck. Hope it works out for you.
 
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