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zjcvols said:
Just saw a video from the 89 NHL playoffs with Jeremy Roenick getting all his teeth knocked out, showing his tongue, and have ten teeth just laying on his tongue.

Hockey players man.
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Drafted him in a fantasy draft on NHL 12 last night.
 
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NochNoch said:
Thought he sounded a lot better on TV than probably about 75% of the league would have in that position.
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I don't know about tonight but for some reason ESPN always has him on and I find him boring, bland, and uninformative.
 
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Bob Ley after the one guy suggested we have a funeral for the n-word and bury it forever, "Interseting thought, it doesn't seem as if that's in the offing."
 
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zjcvols said:
Lol at ESPN trying to change how kids use words and claiming it's a sports story.
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Most of the world is not 22 years old. The world didn't begin when you guys were born. I know it seems stupid to people your age, but stuff like this doesn't just go away because the upcoming age cohort decides that they're past it. I regard it as excellent progress that young people think they're so postracial that this is a silly nonissue, but it's not going to go away until the rest of us die off. Sorry about that.
 
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Z- you know how sensitive you are to anti-gay language? That's because the country is still fighting this battle right now, and you understand the power that language has to define human relationships. It's raw to you right now because it's still going on. Now fast foward 20 years into the future, and imagine if kids half your age decided they were all better than that and they could just start casually calling gay people and each other "f a gg o t" again because they all were past it. Don't you think that word would still hit you in the gut every time you heard it? Now multiply that times 100, because "n igger" was that much more loaded for people of earlier generations than "f a ggot" has ever been. This is not a non-issue for most Americans just because a generation of young people has grown up listening to rap music and they've decided it's normal.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Most of the world is not 22 years old. The world didn't begin when you guys were born. I know it seems stupid to people your age, but stuff like this doesn't just go away because the upcoming age cohort decides that they're past it. I regard it as excellent progress that young people think they're so postracial that this is a silly nonissue, but it's not going to go away until the rest of us die off. Sorry about that.
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I think for the first time we've now reached a point where there's a generation of grown adults who have heard the word throughout their entire lives, yet an overwhelming majority have ever been in a situation where they've experienced first hand it being used as a legitimate racial slur as a part of bona fide old school racism. That is progress, as it seems to show our society is slowly becoming less and less racist.

As you said though, there are still multiple generations living who do have those first hand experiences and aren't likely to ever be able to separate the word from actual racism.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Most of the world is not 22 years old. The world didn't begin when you guys were born. I know it seems stupid to people your age, but stuff like this doesn't just go away because the upcoming age cohort decides that they're past it. I regard it as excellent progress that young people think they're so postracial that this is a silly nonissue, but it's not going to go away until the rest of us die off. Sorry about that.
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That's not my point.

My point was ESPN taking on this issue with no respect towards sports other than having sports people talking about it. That was my issue.
 
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I don't think it's the brightest of words to use. But I'm not going to make a fuss over it. I don't think it should be used in a professional environment. Sports are hardly professional.
 
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Verc's correct about certain people having to die off, so to speak. Where I am there is still incredible ignorance, largely due to lack of cultural diversity over the years. I look forward to more progress here.
 
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I think it's a perfectly reasonable and fine discussion to have. I don't think it's needed per se, but I agree that it's completely understandable for the old guard to be appalled by how loosely the word is used.

My problem is that it's on Sunday Night on ESPN, showing bias, and not having anything to do with sports.
 
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zjcvols said:
That's not my point.

My point was ESPN taking on this issue with no respect towards sports other than having sports people talking about it. That was my issue.
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They're doing it because sports is a gigantically important and indicative microcosm of American culture. What happens in sports is happening in the rest of America, only it's much easier to see because the sports world is so small. Jackie Robinson was important, wasn't he?
 
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Vercingetorix said:
They're doing it because sports is a gigantically important and indicative microcosm of American culture. What happens in sports is happening in the rest of America. Jackie Robinson was important, wasn't he?
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I would agree, but again, no sports part of it. That isn't a sports issue. I don't mind some sensitive things being talked about (I have no problem with Michael Sam being discussed because that's sports related) but if I want to watch/read something on that, I have plenty of other options. I want to go to ESPN to get a Spring Training update, not something on the n word that isn't sports related.
 
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FalcoVol said:
Verc's correct about certain people having to die off, so to speak. Where I am there is still incredible ignorance, largely due to lack of cultural diversity over the years. I look forward to more progress here.
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That's how it is in rural West TN where my dad grew up. I remember as a kid being apalled at how my grandma, uncles and aunts had no other word for black people than calling them ******s. In time I came to understand that in all likelihood none of them had never truly even gotten to know a black person in their whole life and simply carried the same prejudices that their parents and grandparents had before them.

My dad, who left the area when he came to school at UT didn't have the same mindset, and I'm sure it was little more than basic interaction with black people to learn that they're just regular people like the rest of us.
 
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