Official Global Warming thread (merged)

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Why is it every so often we find reports from scientists that contradict one another? Why is that they cannot agree? There seems to be trends here. There is just not enough irrefutable evidence that supports the whole global warming thing. If there were, then these contradictory reports would never come out.

For every "fact" that says global warming is real, there just as many that say it is a hoax. Now that is a fact.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Why is it every so often we find reports from scientists that contradict one another? Why is that they cannot agree? There seems to be trends here. There is just not enough irrefutable evidence that supports the whole global warming thing. If there were, then these contradictory reports would never come out.

For every "fact" that says global warming is real, there just as many that say it is a hoax. Now that is a fact.
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Fact: There is a 98% consensus among climate scientists that humans are causing global warming.

Let's hear your "facts"
 
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BartW said:
It's a fact. Another noteworthy fact is that there are no national or major scientific institutions anywhere in the world that dispute the theory of anthropogenic climate change. Not one

Is there a scientific consensus on global warming?

Quantifying the consensus on anthropogenic global warming in the scientific literature
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they have made it pretty clear that nothing is going to change their minds. seems like a pretty typical political conversation to me. anything that disputes my argument is garbage. i still blame al gore for all of this even being a debate and i dont associate with either party.
 
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zreeves said:
they have made it pretty clear that nothing is going to change their minds. seems like a pretty typical political conversation to me. anything that disputes my argument is garbage. i still blame al gore for all of this even being a debate and i dont associate with either party.
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Yeah this discussion is characteristically circular and mind numbing. It's easy to see why most scientists refuse to stoop down to debate denialists or even communicate with the public at all. I guess now all that's left to do is post witty comics mocking those complaining about the cold. I suspect this thread will die down pretty soon (only to be revived 9 months later).

Oh and I agree about Manbearpig, he definitely did more harm than good. It hurt public perception but I think there would still be resistance. It's conflict thesis, plain as day.
 
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BartW said:
Yeah this discussion is characteristically circular and mind numbing. It's easy to see why most scientists refuse to stoop down to debate denialists or even communicate with the public at all. I guess now all that's left to do is post witty comics mocking those complaining about the cold. I suspect this thread will die down pretty soon (only to be revived 9 months later).

Oh and I agree about Manbearpig, he definitely did more harm than good. It hurt public perception but I think there would still be resistance. It's conflict thesis, plain as day.
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Typical attitude of someone who has been defeated. You mock other people but cannot handle it when the tables are turned. You bring up statistics and expect everyone to believe them. Yet other people bring up stats and they are fallacious or erroneous because you think you know what all these scientists think.

Like I said there is only a consensus because you say there is. I would love to see a study done polling all of the scientists in the world who associate with the climate. Maybe that study would reinforce what you're saying. Until that happens there is only speculation. Why you cannot see this is beyond me. Oh yeah and watch the logical fallacies there because it really makes you look weak.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
AMS Survey Shows No Consensus on Global Warming | Somewhat Reasonable

Report: there is no 97 percent global warming consensus | The Daily Caller

31,000 scientists say "no convincing evidence". — OSS Foundation

That Scientific Global Warming Consensus...Not! - Forbes

Blog: Debunking the 97% 'consensus' on global warming

You see what I am saying?
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LOL your third link is actually debunking the BS in your other links. Read before you post. And don't believe what loony far right thinktanks like the Heartland Institute put out. You can get on the ISI Web of Knowledge and look for yourself. There is an overwhelming consensus.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Typical attitude of someone who has been defeated. You mock other people but cannot handle it when the tables are turned. You bring up statistics and expect everyone to believe them. Yet other people bring up stats and they are fallacious or erroneous because you think you know what all these scientists think.

Like I said there is only a consensus because you say there is. I would love to see a study done polling all of the scientists in the world who associate with the climate. Maybe that study would reinforce what you're saying. Until that happens there is only speculation. Why you cannot see this is beyond me. Oh yeah and watch the logical fallacies there because it really makes you look weak.
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As a scientist I have a decent idea what scientists think. My facts are more credible than your hearsay because I cite peer-reviewed literature.
 
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BartW said:
As a scientist I have a decent idea what scientists think. My facts are more credible than your hearsay because I cite peer-reviewed literature.
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Sure thing. I will just take you at your word because you say you're credible. A decent idea is not a fact. You have a decent guess. That is all.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Sure thing. I will just take you at your word because you say you're credible. A decent idea is not a fact. You have a decent guess. That is all.
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I'm on the inside. I've never met anyone in earth science academia or industry that rejects AGW.

Btw in the consensus study as an independent consistency check the authors were asked to rate their own papers. Even more scientists self-rated their papers as pro-AGW than the SS team did, reflecting that they were being conservative in their classifications when they got 97%. Several other peer-reviewed studies have reached the same conclusion. There is a 97%+ consensus.
 
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It's people like Al Gore that make me sick that I won't to puke. He's such a hypocrite. He uses his jet to fly all over creation & adds to the pollution problems. He's laughing all the way to the bank that he probably owns from all the money he's taken in from this BS crap. Then you have people like Nancy Pelosi that fly back & forth to California to Washington on the taxpayers dime adding more pollution problems to the situation. She's laughing all the way to the bank too. That's because these types of people that are all for this BS are showing hypocrisy & don't really give a rat's ass about climate change to begin with & how things work for or against it. Those two are just selfish morons & care only for themselves & not for the "greater good" of the planet earth.
 
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W.TN.Orange Blood said:
It's people like Al Gore that make me sick that I won't to puke. He's such a hypocrite. He uses his jet to fly all over creation & adds to the pollution problems. He's laughing all the way to the bank that he probably owns from all the money he's taken in from this BS crap. Then you have people like Nancy Pelosi that fly back & forth to California to Washington on the taxpayers dime adding more pollution problems to the situation. She's laughing all the way to the bank too. That's because these types of people that are all for this BS are showing hypocrisy & don't really give a rat's ass about climate change to begin with & how things work for or against it. Those two are just selfish morons & care only for themselves & not for the "greater good" of the planet earth.
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Hung over or just get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning?
 
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I call BS on 97% agreement on any issue.
It reminds me of when Sadam Hussien held an election and was relected with 99% of the vote. He ran unopposed.
If climate scientist go into the field of study already believing that Cilmate Change is man made then I'm not supprised they all agree.

I did a quick google search to see what else scientist agree on with such conviction. Guess what I found.
 
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orangeslice13 said:
I call BS on 97% agreement on any issue.
It reminds me of when Sadam Hussien held an election and was relected with 99% of the vote. He ran unopposed.
If climate scientist go into the field of study already believing that Cilmate Change is man made then I'm not supprised they all agree.

I did a quick google search to see what else scientist agree on with such conviction. Guess what I found.
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Please sir, tell us what else have you've found!!
 
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W.TN.Orange Blood said:
Please sir, tell us what else have you've found!!
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It was not an extensive search but appearently GW scientist are the only ones who agree compleetly on any issue. They must really have this thing figured out.
Well there were all those guys who were 98% in agreement that the gulf coast would be ruined for the next 50 years because of the BP oil spill. So its clear those science guys are never wrong.
 
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orangeslice13 said:
It was not an extensive search but appearently GW scientist are the only ones who agree compleetly on any issue. They must really have this thing figured out.
Well there were all those guys who were 98% in agreement that the gulf coast would be ruined for the next 50 years because of the BP oil spill. So its clear those science guys are never wrong.
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Except for those few and very rare and "notorious" climate deniers. Bart, why are all the climate deniers "notorious?"
 
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orangeslice13 said:
It was not an extensive search but appearently GW scientist are the only ones who agree compleetly on any issue. They must really have this thing figured out.
Well there were all those guys who were 98% in agreement that the gulf coast would be ruined for the next 50 years because of the BP oil spill. So its clear those science guys are never wrong.
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Link? So we’re back to “the scientific consensus is usually wrong therefore AGW is a hoax?” Next are you going to tell me how Columbus proved all those dumb scientists wrong by sailing the ocean blue?

I think a big reason people don’t realize there’s such a strong consensus is that the media, in an attempt to be “fair and balanced”, gives proponents just as much air time as skeptics. This creates the false appearance that the split is ~50/50 not 97/3. If you look at the literature the consensus is clear and has been for some time. But the layperson is much more likely to watch the news (or worse, faux news) then they are to read some scientific journals.
 
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BartW said:
Link? So we’re back to “the scientific consensus is usually wrong therefore AGW is a hoax?” Next are you going to tell me how Columbus proved all those dumb scientists wrong by sailing the ocean blue?

I think a big reason people don’t realize there’s such a strong consensus is that the media, in an attempt to be “fair and balanced”, gives proponents just as much air time as skeptics. This creates the false appearance that the split is ~50/50 not 97/3. If you look at the literature the consensus is clear and has been for some time. But the layperson is much more likely to watch the news (or worse, faux news) then they are to read some scientific journals.
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And so therefore we're supposed to believe it because you say so. You can't prove it but you believe it. So we should believe it.
 
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