Even More Obamacare Follies

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Gramps said:
Our health system has been a disaster for years. We have been providing the uninsured with healthcare for many, many years. Obamacare or not people in America will go down to emergency rooms, be admitted to hospitals and be treated on the taxpayer dime. That is the cold hard truth. The question I ask is it cheaper to help provide a few million people with insurance coverage or pay their entire bill when they go to the hospital. We are going to do one or the other.
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Insurance doesn't pay their "entire bill".
 
#1,477
#1,477
Gramps said:
Our health system has been a disaster for years. We have been providing the uninsured with healthcare for many, many years. Obamacare or not people in America will go down to emergency rooms, be admitted to hospitals and be treated on the taxpayer dime. That is the cold hard truth. The question I ask is it cheaper to help provide a few million people with insurance coverage or pay their entire bill when they go to the hospital. We are going to do one or the other.
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no now we're actually going to do both unless Obamacare gives hospitals the ability to refuse care. All it costs to get a free year of care is $95
 
#1,478
#1,478
Gramps said:
Our health system has been a disaster for years. We have been providing the uninsured with healthcare for many, many years. Obamacare or not people in America will go down to emergency rooms, be admitted to hospitals and be treated on the taxpayer dime. That is the cold hard truth. The question I ask is it cheaper to help provide a few million people with insurance coverage or pay their entire bill when they go to the hospital. We are going to do one or the other.
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It would be cheaper to not make it so easy. Government assistance from food stamps to health care to the bs disability & everything in between should be tough to get. It should be embarrassing. It should be the absolute minimum. It should be temporary. If you don't work & don't pay the same as I do then you shouldn't have what I do.
 
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Velo Vol said:
Obamacare strikes again.

Full Time Vs. Part Time Job Growth - Business Insider

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What's missing from that chart? It discusses "hires". It is not showing how many full time positions became part time positions.
 
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utvolpj said:
no now we're actually going to do both unless Obamacare gives hospitals the ability to refuse care. All it costs to get a free year of care is $95
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Where can one get a free year of healthcare for $95?
I will take me some of that.
 
#1,486
#1,486
Gramps said:
Our health system has been a disaster for years. We have been providing the uninsured with healthcare for many, many years. Obamacare or not people in America will go down to emergency rooms, be admitted to hospitals and be treated on the taxpayer dime. That is the cold hard truth. The question I ask is it cheaper to help provide a few million people with insurance coverage or pay their entire bill when they go to the hospital. We are going to do one or the other.
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No, it has been a problem. It is only now becoming a disaster. Especially for people on Medicare.

Are you an inpatient or an outpatient? | Medicare.gov

Have also heard about differences in payment based on the ER doctor admitting you vs. your primary care doctor but haven't found a link for that.

All this to get coverage for 31 million uninsured people. The CBO says that in 10 years we will still have 31 million uninsured people.
 
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Number of Obamacare sign-ups is greatly inflated | WashingtonExaminer.com

First, Medicaid. This week, the health consulting firm Avalere found that only 1 to 2 million of the 6.3 million who signed up for Medicaid were new enrollees brought into the program by Obamacare. The rest were people who were eligible and would have signed up for Medicaid irrespective of Obamacare, in addition to people who were already on Medicaid but were renewing their status. (The researchers reached their conclusion by comparing the Obamacare sign-ups with a recent period before the new health law went into effect.)

If the Avalere report is accurate — and experts are taking it seriously — then less than one-third, and perhaps less than one-quarter, of the new Medicaid sign-ups cited by the administration were previously uninsured people gaining coverage because of Obamacare. That's a major shortfall.
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Then there are the roughly three million people said to have signed up for private insurance. In mid-January, the Wall Street Journal reported that a relatively small percentage of the new sign-ups were previously uninsured Americans gaining coverage through Obamacare. The rest were people who were covered and lost that coverage in the market disruptions largely caused by Obamacare.

A McKinsey and Co. survey cited by the Journal found that just 11 percent of private insurance signups were people who previously had no coverage. Other surveys found that about one-quarter of new sign-ups were previously uninsured.
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“I Was All for Obamacare Until I Found Out I Was Paying for It” | FrontPage Magazine

I could understand her reasoning if she were living in a housing project with six of somebody’s else kids like her mother before her and her grandmother before her without having earned any money or paid her way. But if you work for a living and pay taxes, then there’s no excuse for not knowing how the game works.

This is all about wealth redistribution. And that’s all about middle class tax hikes. The hikes go from those who know how to game the system to those who don’t.

With ObamaCare, you’re either getting freebies or you’re paying for it. Like the rest of the government, you’re in two categories. Either someone else pays for you… or you pay.
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White House delays health insurance mandate for medium-sized employers until 2016 - The Washington Post

The Obama administration announced Monday it would give medium-sized employers an extra year, until 2016, before they must offer health insurance to their full-time workers.

Firms with at least 100 employees will have to start offering this coverage in 2015.By offering an unexpected grace period to businesses with between 50 and 99 employees, administration officials are hoping to defuse another potential controversy involving the 2010 health-care law, which has become central to Republicans’ campaign to make political gains in this year’s midterm election.
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Another day, another delay
 
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House votes to delay ObamaCare mandates | Fox News

Republicans argue that both delays are necessary. While they endorsed the delay for businesses, House Speaker John Boehner and other GOP lawmakers say it's unfair to deny everyone else a similar reprieve.

"It is not fair that the president is choosing to protect big business from ObamaCare, but not hardworking American taxpayers," Rep. Marsha Blackburn, R-Tenn., said on the House floor ahead of the vote.

She also said the delay was an admission that "this is a trainwreck, and it is not ready for prime-time."
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Marsha said this back in July. I dont know anything about her, but she is alright in my book.
 
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#1,495
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Kinda funny that the Senate wouldn't allow a vote on delaying the business mandate by a year and the POTUS said he would veto it then he goes and does it by administrative fiat.
 
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I think there are many, many problems with the ACA, however, there are a few good news stories. One of my workers got sick over the summer. We watched him go downhill all Fall and into the Winter. He did go to the Doctor but didn't get any answers on what was causing his illnesses. Some thought Lyme Disease or some other tick borne illness (babiosis?). Finally in January he got in to see a doctor at Hershey Med center and was immediately hospitalized, diagnosed with a heart infection and a leaking valve. After weeks of anti-biotics and open heart surgery to repair the valve, he is recovering and almost back to his old self.

The difference? In January he finally got coverage that he could afford. Even though he was offered coverage from our company, it was not affordable on his pay check and doesn't provide good coverage. He bought Himark/Blue Shield off the exchange and suddenly all sorts of care was available. Maybe he would have been admitted by Hershey without the insurance, but then again, maybe they would have given him more antibiotics and sent him home like the others did.

Anyway, we're happy that he is recovering and if it is in part due to the new insurance then, I'll give it one in the plus column.
 
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YorkVol said:
I think there are many, many problems with the ACA, however, there are a few good news stories. One of my workers got sick over the summer. We watched him go downhill all Fall and into the Winter. He did go to the Doctor but didn't get any answers on what was causing his illnesses. Some thought Lyme Disease or some other tick borne illness (babiosis?). Finally in January he got in to see a doctor at Hershey Med center and was immediately hospitalized, diagnosed with a heart infection and a leaking valve. After weeks of anti-biotics and open heart surgery to repair the valve, he is recovering and almost back to his old self.

The difference? In January he finally got coverage that he could afford. Even though he was offered coverage from our company, it was not affordable on his pay check and doesn't provide good coverage. He bought Himark/Blue Shield off the exchange and suddenly all sorts of care was available. Maybe he would have been admitted by Hershey without the insurance, but then again, maybe they would have given him more antibiotics and sent him home like the others did.

Anyway, we're happy that he is recovering and if it is in part due to the new insurance then, I'll give it one in the plus column.
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Its going to cost my family $4000 next year in extra costs and my deductible will go up 3x. You can put me and about 4 other young families that I know in the "Negative Column". There was nothing stopping him from buying a plan back in July
 
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#1,499
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this is the law

“EFFECTIVE DATE.—The amendments made by this section shall apply to months beginning after December 31, 2013.”
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how is changing the law with only a phone and a pen acceptable in the US?
 
#1,500
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utvolpj said:
this is the law



how is changing the law with only a phone and a pen acceptable in the US?
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The problem is that DoJ is in his pocket so they won't bring charges. Congress doesn't have standing legally so they can't bring a court challenge. Some individual or company has to show some damage to bring a court challenge.

It's screwed up but no one is stopping him. GOP is correct to say he can't be trusted to implement the laws (re: immigration) as written.
 
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