Is Hart going to do a Dooley

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whobethis16 said:
Can't compete means finishing below half in the conference, yet he's finished top 5 both years. Hmmm, last I checked, there are 14 teams in the conference, not 3.

You have a real problem speaking in absolutes when you have no proof of them, ie this is the worst 3 years in the 82 years of the SEC.
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And yet, how many NCAA tourneys has he gone to? The SEC is a garbage league right now and we are struggling to get into the NCAA tourney because we can't beat garbage teams. Figure that one out Skippy.
 
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OrangeBalls said:
You're comparing a coach with a depleted roster with a 3rd string QB, at best, taking over for an incompetent Derek Dooley to Martin who has the most talent he'll ever have in year 3 and losing to a Vandy team with 7 scholarship players? This is why you are a blind f'n homer. You can't see the forest for the trees. There is no helping you.
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Lol

From a coaching standpoint Martin looked a hell of a lot better than Butch did after year 1. If you wanna join the crowd making excuses for losing to Vandy in football be my guest. With a bowl game on the line and not getting your his pumped to play, well....sounds kinda familiar doesn't it?
 
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Comparing Butch to Zo is ridiculous. When Zo brings in his first top 5 recruiting class and Butch is coaching his third season, then start the comparison. Before Butch came in he was coaching at a BCS level school/conference and twice won co-conference champs in three seasons, while going to two bowl games. Zo was at a mid major and did not get in the AA tourney at all. Which is still the same trajectory today.

We can only hope that Bama Dave gets lucky again on a new coach. The way to make sure it happens is to not buy seats and/or not go to games. Period. Which is what we did during Houston's and Fulmer's final seasons.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Lol

From a coaching standpoint Martin looked a hell of a lot better than Butch did after year 1. If you wanna join the crowd making excuses for losing to Vandy in football be my guest. With a bowl game on the line and not getting your his pumped to play, well....sounds kinda familiar doesn't it?
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You're clueless. You're trying to compare a guy with a depleted roster in year 1 to a guy who is in his 3rd year and has a full roster and is still losing to garbage teams. Come back in 2 years and compare Jones to Martin. I'll wager anything you want that Jones' tenure will outlast Martin's tenure.
 
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OrangeBalls said:
You're clueless. You're trying to compare a guy with a depleted roster in year 1 to a guy who is in his 3rd year and has a full roster and is still losing to garbage teams. Come back in 2 years and compare Jones to Martin. I'll wager anything you want that Jones' tenure will outlast Martin's tenure.
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Sounds like more excuses lol

Like I said, there were plenty wanting Martin fired after year 1. Butch did nothing on the field in year 1 that Martin didn't do in year 1, infact he left a lot more to be desired than Martin did.
 
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The level of competition the two coaches compete against nullifies any comparison. IMO

SEC Football is miles > than SEC basketball.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Sounds like more excuses lol

Like I said, there were plenty wanting Martin fired after year 1. Butch did nothing on the field in year 1 that Martin didn't do in year 1, infact he left a lot more to be desired than Martin did.
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BTO, I've defended Cuonzo since he was hired and argued that he should be given time and his own recruits and that in year 3, he should be judged. It's now year 3 and the results are not pretty. It is unacceptable for Tennessee to miss the tournament for 3 straight seasons when the talent level as high as it is. We need to strike now, while we can, so that we don't become a less and less attractive job. I think that's fair.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Sounds like more excuses lol

Like I said, there were plenty wanting Martin fired after year 1. Butch did nothing on the field in year 1 that Martin didn't do in year 1, infact he left a lot more to be desired than Martin did.
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My God, you are dense. You are comparing a garbage basketball conference to the best conference in football. See how stupid you look? I don't think you do which is comical.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
And Butch has proven he can't beat Vandy? Or hang with the big dogs?
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Well he did beat Spurrier's butt and they ended up being ranked #4 in the country. When you look at the talent being brought in in football you have to at least think that by year 3 the Vol football program appears to be headed in a better direction.
 
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OrangeBalls said:
My God, you are dense. You are comparing a garbage basketball conference to the best conference in football. See how stupid you look? I don't think you do which is comical.
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And you're acting as though Butch has priced himself as some Homerun hire, which he has not. But it is however cute that you think so, I bet you're wearing your Butch Please shirt right now actually.
 
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wtorange said:
Well he did beat Spurrier's butt and they ended up being ranked #4 in the country. When you look at the talent being brought in in football you have to at least think that by year 3 the Vol football program appears to be headed in a better direction.
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I agree 100%, but there's also been many coaches who could recruit but not coach.

Martin beat his fair share of ranked teams in year one as well, so that's not exactly saying anything.

I'm not bashing Butch at all, I just think this notion that he's the 2nd coming of Bear Bryant is a bit premature.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
And you're acting as though Butch has priced himself as some Homerun hire, which he has not. But it is however cute that you think so, I bet you're wearing your Butch Please shirt right now actually.
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I didn't say Butch was or wasn't the answer. He's been here a little over a year. For you to try and compare him to Martin at this stage shows your lack of intelligence. All I said is that he has recruited well and that usually leads the team in the right direction. He went 5-7 and most people had them at 6-6 at best. Butch has won at every stop and been successful. Martin? Hardly. He's never made a NCAA tourney and he's on year 6. The clock is ticking.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I agree 100%, but there's also been many coaches who could recruit but not coach.

Martin beat his fair share of ranked teams in year one as well, so that's not exactly saying anything.

I'm not bashing Butch at all, I just think this notion that he's the 2nd coming of Bear Bryant is a bit premature.
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No one is saying that. He's recruited great during a 5-7 year. He got 9 of the top 11 kids in TN that were going elsewhere under Dooley.

You can stick your head in the sand all you want. Butch is competing against the best coaches in the best conference and he's only been here 1 year. Martin is on year 3 and losing to sh*tball teams in a sh*tball conference. If you can't see that, then you're a blind Martin homer.
 
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OrangeBalls said:
I didn't say Butch was or wasn't the answer. He's been here a little over a year. For you to try and compare him to Martin at this stage shows your lack of intelligence. All I said is that he has recruited well and that usually leads the team in the right direction. He went 5-7 and most people had them at 6-6 at best. Butch has won at every stop and been successful. Martin? Hardly. He's never made a NCAA tourney and he's on year 6. The clock is ticking.
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So you're saying Butch underachieved in year 1 while Zo overachieved?
 
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OrangeBalls said:
No one is saying that. He's recruited great during a 5-7 year. He got 9 of the top 11 kids in TN that were going elsewhere under Dooley.

You can stick your head in the sand all you want. Butch is competing against the best coaches in the best conference and he's only been here 1 year. Martin is on year 3 and losing to sh*tball teams in a sh*tball conference. If you can't see that, then you're a blind Martin homer.
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And if you can't see that after year 1 for both, Martin as a coach (not recruiter) looked much more promising than Butch. How has that worked out?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
So you're saying Butch underachieved in year 1 while Zo overachieved?
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I thought Martin overachieved in year 1, but the bar was set low. I thought Butch did exactly like I thought he would. We won most of the ones we should've, won 1 we shouldn't have and should've beaten UGA, and lost one to a team we were favored by 1 point. Then he went out and recruited his balls off.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
And if you can't see that after year 1 for both, Martin as a coach (not recruiter) looked much more promising than Butch. How has that worked out?
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No, because the SEC basketball conference is nowhere near the SEC football conference. You're trying to compare apples to oranges. Butch could be a good coach and still finish 3rd or 4th in the East. The conference is stacked with the best players and coaches in the NCAA. Zo can finish 3rd or 4th overall, but there are only 2 good teams in the SEC. The rest is average to complete garbage teams.
 
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If Cuonzo gets canned(it's only a matter of when and not if),Hart will hire an assistant. I hope the Assistant Coach that He hires isn't too obscure.
 
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OrangeBalls said:
I thought Martin overachieved in year 1, but the bar was set low. I thought Butch did exactly like I thought he would. We won most of the ones we should've, won 1 we shouldn't have and should've beaten UGA, and lost one to a team we were favored by 1 point. Then he went out and recruited his balls off.
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Like I said, purely from a coaching standpoint I would say Martin gave more to be optimistic about than Butch did.
 
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OrangeBalls said:
No, because the SEC basketball conference is nowhere near the SEC football conference. You're trying to compare apples to oranges. Butch could be a good coach and still finish 3rd or 4th in the East. The conference is stacked with the best players and coaches in the NCAA. Zo can finish 3rd or 4th overall, but there are only 2 good teams in the SEC. The rest is average to complete garbage teams.
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Ok OOC what did both accomplish in year 1?

Martin beat a ranked team and Butch didn't?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Like I said, purely from a coaching standpoint I would say Martin gave more to be optimistic about than Butch did.
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He beat a few teams we weren't expected to beat but also lost to teams like Austin Peay. Butch beat So Car and lost to Vandy when he was playing with a 3rd string freshman QB. They jury was still out on both.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Ok OOC what did both accomplish in year 1?

Martin beat a ranked team and Butch didn't?
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You're still comparing apples to oranges. In year 3, if Butch is losing to the likes of a team like Vandy last night with limited scholarship players then the end is near for him IMO.
 
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