Allen West is a moron

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GAVol said:
Bingo. The term "cultural homogeneity" used above really means, "everybody is supposed think (and for some people, look) like me".
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No it doesn't.

Look I could give a shizz about the commercial or West's comments but you are completely wrong in this assertion. People wishing to immigrate to this country should learn to speak English and we as a country shouldn't be so accommodating to those that refuse.
 
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hog88 said:
No it doesn't.

Look I could give a shizz about the commercial or West's comments but you are completely wrong in this assertion. People wishing to immigrate to this country should learn to speak English and we as a country shouldn't be so accommodating to those that refuse.
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That's not very PC of you.
 
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GAVol said:
This one that had multiple ethnicities and cultures seems to be doing just fine.
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Typical response. You don't understand the difference between ethnicity and culture.

And are we really doing that okay? I see broken communities everywhere I go.
 
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hog88 said:
We are doing just fine?
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With respect to being torn apart because people speak different languages and have different customs - yes - we're fine. If our nation fails, it will be our policies; not our diversity thy causes it. Stupid knows no cultural boundaries.
 
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GAVol said:
With respect to being torn apart because people speak different languages and have different customs - yes - we're fine. If our nation fails, it will be our policies; not our diversity thy causes it. Stupid knows no cultural boundaries.
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The problem is our policy's are directly influenced by these diversities
 
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GAVol said:
With respect to being torn apart because people speak different languages and have different customs - yes - we're fine. If our nation fails, it will be our policies; not our diversity thy causes it. Stupid knows no cultural boundaries.
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Cause and effect. Our policies are a direct result of our "diversity."
 
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Obsessed said:
The problem is our policy's are directly influenced by these diversities
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I think it would be more accurate to say our policies have tended to cater to the masses that don't know any better. I think it's more socioeconomic than cultural. People just think it's cultural because minorities tend to all fit in the same economic class and vote similarly.

Look at European countries that are on the brink. They're very similar culturally, but it's their policies that suck.
 
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I do find it quite interesting that those opposed to cultural diversity also appear to be capitalists.

Seems to me that Smith wrote extensively on both the value of diversity in production and innovation as well as the value of absolutely unfettered markets. Government restrictions on who can and cannot live in a certain place are a fortiori government restrictions on labor; and, government restrictions on labor are fetters to the market.

As far as nation-states failing due to diversity, I'm pretty sure I'd rather have a failed nation-state than a nation-state which attempts to explicitly exclude other cultures.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Allen West criticizes Coca-Cola Super Bowl ad - Orlando Sentinel


Seriously? Celebrating diversity of heritage is balkanization? and this is the guy the TP reveres as a good conservative?

How dare people say the TP wants to go back to the 1950s, where everyone spoke English and coloreds, women, and anyone not white knew their place....
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Move to Mexico or china or anywhere & see if the goverment & people jump to revamp everything that makes their country theirs in order to make you feel welcome.
 
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GAVol said:
With respect to being torn apart because people speak different languages and have different customs - yes - we're fine. If our nation fails, it will be our policies; not our diversity thy causes it. Stupid knows no cultural boundaries.
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Do some research on the fall of the Roman Empire.
 
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therealUT said:
I do find it quite interesting that those opposed to cultural diversity also appear to be capitalists.

Seems to me that Smith wrote extensively on both the value of diversity in production and innovation as well as the value of absolutely unfettered markets. Government restrictions on who can and cannot live in a certain place are a fortiori government restrictions on labor; and, government restrictions on labor are fetters to the market.

As far as nation-states failing due to diversity, I'm pretty sure I'd rather have a failed nation-state than a nation-state which attempts to explicitly exclude other cultures.
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Who is trying to exclude cultures?
 
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GAVol said:
I think it would be more accurate to say our policies have tended to cater to the masses that don't know any better. I think it's more socioeconomic than cultural. People just think it's cultural because minorities tend to all fit in the same economic class and vote similarly.

Look at European countries that are on the brink. They're very similar culturally, but it's their policies that suck.
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You just proved our point.

Maybe you haven't been paying attention to Europe, but there's a dangerous rise of the fascist Right due to the immigration problem. The lack of assimilation from other cultures has become a political talking point throughout the continent.
 
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While I was not offended by it, I did feel that the ad was in bad taste. I do believe that America should be celebrated for its multiculturalism, and the freedoms afforded to all her citizens, but I would like to see those immigrating strive to be "more American" than complaining when America is not enough like the place from where they came (i.e., just because you don't eat beef where you come from, don't expect to make me/us stop eating it here). If you are fresh off the boat, I do not expect you to know American English, nor do I expect you to have mastered it within a given time; but I do expect you to strive to learn and adapt to it rather than claim that you are faced with some negative '-ism' when I have no desire to learn your language.

If I come to your house for a stay, I don't expect you to change all of your ways to adapt to my way of life; I must adapt to my new environment. Adapting != changing who you are as a person. While I do not think this ad intended to encourage Americans to blindly conform to and accept all those from different cultures while giving up pieces from your culture, I felt it came across that way in order to be PC.
 
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Gannon Goodson said:
You just proved our point.

Maybe you haven't been paying attention to Europe, but there's a dangerous rise of the fascist Right due to the immigration problem. The lack of assimilation from other cultures has become a political talking point throughout the continent.
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Seems to me the problem is not the immigrants, it is the fascists.
 
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therealUT said:
Those that are against multi-culturalism. They don't want their culture to change, and they do not want the other cultures to survive in the US. That is a desire for exclusion.
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I disagree. I don't care about different cultures. I do disagree with policy being influenced by it.
 
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therealUT said:
Those that are against multi-culturalism. They don't want their culture to change, and they do not want the other cultures to survive in the US. That is a desire for exclusion.
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When it comes to the point you can't celebrate "America" due to not offending immigrants & cultures there's a problem.
 
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therealUT said:
Those that are against multi-culturalism. They don't want their culture to change, and they do not want the other cultures to survive in the US. That is a desire for exclusion.
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Not true. I'm not giving up pasta, tacos, and bratwurst. Again, the concept of multiculturalism eludes most minds.
 
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therealUT said:
I do find it quite interesting that those opposed to cultural diversity also appear to be capitalists.

Seems to me that Smith wrote extensively on both the value of diversity in production and innovation as well as the value of absolutely unfettered markets. Government restrictions on who can and cannot live in a certain place are a fortiori government restrictions on labor; and, government restrictions on labor are fetters to the market.

As far as nation-states failing due to diversity, I'm pretty sure I'd rather have a failed nation-state than a nation-state which attempts to explicitly exclude other cultures.
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Who's attempting to exclude other cultures? A common language to conduct business is a strength, not a weakness.
 
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I just have to laugh at people who think that it presents some kind of serious cultural problem to have people speaking different languages here than English, or that we have people here with different social practices that we are used to.

Jesus H. Christ, lighten up.
 
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