Even More Obamacare Follies

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FLVOL69 said:
There have been a plethora of alternative plans as you probably know, unfortunately the pharaoh is unwilling to listen to any alternatives...
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I don't believe that at all! This is nothing more than extreme right wing propaganda to try to embarrass the President because he is black. The Republicans hate the poor and don't believe in women's rights so they don't want Obamacare since it will help everyone in this nation. The TEA Party hates Obama because he is black and they don't want Obamacare because it might cause trouble in their Klan meetings.
























(Just seeing how it felt from the other side for a change)
 
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Grand Vol said:
Which of them has allowed to get traction? Obama won't hear about anything that is contrary to his legacy legislation.
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Last I checked, the president does not control the House agenda. Boehner is free to schedule a vote on GOPCare whenever he wants.

Where is it?
 
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That didn't take long. Less than a week and the Patient CARE Act has already been gutted.


This pretty well frames what the health care debate is about:

To be clear, whether you think the Patient CARE Act is worse or better than the Affordable Care Act depends on how you value the pros and cons of each. Roughly speaking, Obamacare provides more financial protection to more people, but with more government spending and a narrower range of options in the insurance market. Conservative alternatives would provide less financial protection to fewer people, but with less government spending and a wider range of options in the insurance market. Reasonable people can disagree on which approach does the most good. It comes down to priorities and judgment.
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The Republicans will keep trying to convince the public that they have something that provides the benefits of Obamacare without it's costs. They don't and they won't.

But the authors of the Patient CARE Act and many of their allies are acting as if conservatives have some magic elixir for health care problems—a way to provide the same kind of security that the Affordable Care Act will, but with a lot less interference in the market and a lot less taxpayer money. It's all the goodies of liberal health care reform, they imply, but without the unpleasant parts. They're wrong.
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Velo Vol said:
Last I checked, the president does not control the House agenda. Boehner is free to schedule a vote on GOPCare whenever he wants.

Where is it?
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Civics 101 in which you are hopefully ignorant.

SENATORS brought this bill up, not a Representative. It is not a concurrently sponsored bill, hence, until it clears the Senate, it cannot go to the House.
 
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Velo Vol said:
That didn't take long. Less than a week and the Patient CARE Act has already been gutted.


This pretty well frames what the health care debate is about:



The Republicans will keep trying to convince the public that they have something that provides the benefits of Obamacare without it's costs. They don't and they won't.
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How about a real analysis of the bill and not a snarky hit piece from a left-wing opinion rag?
 
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Velo Vol said:
That didn't take long. Less than a week and the Patient CARE Act has already been gutted.

This pretty well frames what the health care debate is about:

The Republicans will keep trying to convince the public that they have something that provides the benefits of Obamacare without it's costs. They don't and they won't.
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Your article lost me at:

It would have been a lot more productive if these three senators, or any other Republicans, had been similarly constructive back in 2009—you know, when Congress was debating health care reform and Republicans had plenty of opportunities to put forward proposals.
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Which is a complete twist of the actual facts of the matter.

Fiction: Republicans didn't have their own alternative to health care.
Fact: The GOP did have their own alternative to the plan before it was voted on. Additionally, major changes to the ACA were put forward by the GOP before a vote. All changes were dismissed out of hand by the DNC Majority and the POTUS.

Your article doesn't exactly take a neutral position on what has been proposed. It's a left slant that leans towards leaving the status quo under the ACA (which the majority of Americans do not support) instead of exploring the possibilities under the Patient CARE. It also reaches to conclusions that cannot be reached since the proposal is just that, a proposal that hasn't been picked at yet by people in either party.

And I would tend to think this early on most people would not dismiss it before actually taking the time to look it over, add things, refine others, take away things, compromise and actually come up with legislation that the American People supported. I mean, it's not like Congress is there without the consent of the People as they were painfully reminded of in 2010. And for those Congressmen and Senators in close election races this year that hitch their wagon to the floundering ACA will find out real quick the People might, just remotely might, take that into account.

I would imagine if the ACA had been rolled out in early 2009, the Presidential election might have turned out different as well. Or been way closer than it was. Pure politics at play there since they made sure the roll out was after the big election.
 
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This is rich. Woman opts to go without health insurance rather than stooping to look at plans available at healthcare.gov.

A testament to the brilliance of Obamacare opponents.

Another bogus Obamacare story: The GOP's 'Bette' - latimes.com

Grenier said she had flatly refused to even investigate her options on the exchange. "I wouldn’t go on that Obama website at all,” she said. “We liked our old plan. It worked for us, but they can’t offer it anymore.”

Instead, she and her husband "have decided to go without coverage," the newspaper reported.

Does this make sense? Grenier deliberately decided to forgo the options available to her and her family from the Affordable Care Act, despite the knowledge that they might be more suitable for her than her old insurance or the plan being hawked by her insurer -- she says a friend of hers found a plan for a mere $129 a month.

But her plight has nothing to do with Obamacare. It's a product of her own apparently flawed decision to refuse even to look into the benefits the healthcare law might provide. And it's another sign of how threadbare the GOP criticism of the Affordable Care Act has become. If this is the best they can conjure up for what might be one of the best-watched TV appearances a back-bench Republican congresswoman gets to deliver, shouldn't they give up already?
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Velo Vol said:
When has it been voted on in the US House?
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"It" being the ACA.

And kind of hard to get a vote on a bill when you have ram it home "have to pass it to read it" Pelosi in charge of the House. It was dead in the water from the start because nothing was going to stop the ACA from going through, right down to the bribing of political officials.
 
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Gannon Goodson said:
Nothing like a good propaganda story from the LA Slimes. I'd like to see the deductible and copays with that $129 a month premium.
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Lol propaganda. Both sides, the left and the right, have propaganda witch is why I'm neither. Fox and MSNBC are both full of propaganda and if a democrat or a republican accuses one or the other of watching/reading propaganda than you are a hypocrite. There's a reason you read and watch what you watch for news because you like their opinion, you like their take on things, and you love what they say to full your agenda. The fact that their is 2 parties is disgusting. It's all about winning and not about making the country better. That's why the Gov doesn't get **** done.
 
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