Preemptive Grammys Gay Marriage Thread

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#281
Weezer said:
I'm all for telling others not to tell others how to live their lives.
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Nobody is telling anybody how to live their lives. If you wanna be gay be gay. But why should society have to be overhauled to tend to their feelings of "equality".
 
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govols/cc said:
Nobody is telling anybody how to live their lives. If you wanna be gay be gay. But why should society have to be overhauled to tend to their feelings of "equality".
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Cause weezer says so.

Damn a state for wanting to set up its culture according to what it's citizens want.
 
#283
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BigOrangeCrush32 said:
Like I said earlier, I am not judging...how can I judge someone who has already been judged? I am simply following the verdict...oh and GOD DID DECIDE IT WAS A SIN...
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Is this the same guy that said shaving was a sin? Oh and wearing mixed fabrics, that's a no-go too.

Assuming you don't look like Rip Van Winkle wearing a burlap sack around town - how have you reconciled that while singling out the homosexual is bad bit part of the bible?
 
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allvol123 said:
You're all for telling others what to do. Proof of this.

Get your story straight, looking foolish.
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Not looking foolish. I freely admitted to telling others not to tell others how to live their lives. I realize the hypocrisy of the statement, yet stand firmly behind it. You make your choices, I'll make my choices, and God, if He/She exists can decide who was right.
 
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govols/cc said:
Nobody is telling anybody how to live their lives. If you wanna be gay be gay. But why should society have to be overhauled to tend to their feelings of "equality".
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Was society overhauled to tend with interracial marriage equality? If so, was it necessary? This really is a very similar situation.
 
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govols/cc said:
Nobody is telling anybody how to live their lives. If you wanna be gay be gay. But why should society have to be overhauled to tend to their feelings of "equality".
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It's not a matter of overhauling society. It's a matter of extending the same rights afforded to hetero couples to gay/lesbian couples. The framework is already there. All you're doing is enforcing equality. Pretty simple, really.
 
#287
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Weezer said:
It's not a matter of overhauling society. It's a matter of extending the same rights afforded to hetero couples to gay/lesbian couples. The framework is already there. All you're doing is enforcing equality. Pretty simple, really.
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How is that not overhauling society? For over 4000 years marriage has been between man & woman. It use to have an actual purpose.
 
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Septic said:
Is this the same guy that said shaving was a sin? Oh and wearing mixed fabrics, that's a no-go too.

Assuming you don't look like Rip Van Winkle wearing a burlap sack around town - how have you reconciled that while singling out the homosexual is bad bit part of the bible?
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Once Jesus died for our sins, that negated the laws of the OT...but once again, homosexuality was pronounced to be a sin in the NT...but keep up with that strawman comparison.
 
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BigOrangeCrush32 said:
Once Jesus died for our sins, that negated the laws of the OT...but once again, homosexuality was pronounced to be a sin in the NT...but keep up with that strawman comparison.
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Please provide a quote from the NT that says this please. Not trying to argue, I'm just unaware of scripture in the NT that calls out homosexuality.
 
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allvol123 said:
Cause weezer says so.

Damn a state for wanting to set up its culture according to what it's citizens want.
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Damn right cause I said so.


If you want a country built around Christianity, form a country built around Christianity. For all I know, maybe that's what the founding fathers attempted to do, but that whole freedom of religion and equality thing backfired on them if that was their intention. The Constitution affords the same rights to all citizens of the United States.

And ftr, your earlier arguement on business owners having the right to refuse service, I actually agree with it. If they want to refuse service based on skin color, or sexual orientation, so be it. It's their business, their capital, their risk, it should be their choice. I think it a poor business decision to refuse service based on these things and believe it will ultimately lead to the failure of said business because of the stigma that attaches itself to those kinds of businesses, but if a person wants to set themselves up like that to espouse their views, I say let them. They should have that right as private business owners. Govt should never be allowed the same leeway.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I presume you mean:

Romans 1:26-27
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
1 Timothy 1:9-10

The first makes the most clear condemnation of homosexuality by simply calling it "shameful". Doesn't really seem to be that big of a deal, according to the entire New Testament.
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BearCat204 said:
Please provide a quote from the NT that says this please. Not trying to argue, I'm just unaware of scripture in the NT that calls out homosexuality.
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There is a couple provided by Huff...I will do more research bc I can't recall exactly right off...
 
#292
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Weezer said:
Damn right cause I said so.


If you want a country built around Christianity, form a country built around Christianity. For all I know, maybe that's what the founding fathers attempted to do, but that whole freedom of religion and equality thing backfired on them if that was their intention. The Constitution affords the same rights to all citizens of the United States.

And ftr, your earlier arguement on business owners having the right to refuse service, I actually agree with it. If they want to refuse service based on skin color, or sexual orientation, so be it. It's their business, their capital, their risk, it should be their choice. I think it a poor business decision to refuse service based on these things and believe it will ultimately lead to the failure of said business because of the stigma that attaches itself to those kinds of businesses, but if a person wants to set themselves up like that to espouse their views, I say let them. They should have that right as private business owners. Govt should never be allowed the same leeway.
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I think they did found it on Christianity. I think they offered freedom of religion etc as being tolerant of them & not force feeding everything else down the majority's throat. The majority of society shouldn't have to be changed for the minority whether its race, religion, homosexuals, .........whatever.
 
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BigOrangeCrush32 said:
Once Jesus died for our sins, that negated the laws of the OT...but once again, homosexuality was pronounced to be a sin in the NT...but keep up with that strawman comparison.
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Not explicitly. Judging is explicitly prohibited, but you don't shun those who judge.
 
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govols/cc said:
How is that not overhauling society? For over 4000 years marriage has been between man & woman. It use to have an actual purpose.
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Marriage as a religious institution has been between a man and a woman. We're not talking about marriage as a religious institution. We're talking about marriage as a govt institution where "marriage" benefits are extended to couples based on being married. Marriage as a govt institution isn't remotely close to 4000 years old.

I have no problem with anyone disagreeing with gay marriage as a religious institution. But there is a reason for separation of church and state. If marriage as a govt institution is going to continue, it should recognize the rights of same sex couples.

What I find hard to see is how so many are unable to separate religion and politics. Next, people will be arguing Muslims shouldn't be allowed to marry over some technicality or another. Christian God doesn't recognize the rights of the followers of Allah or some such nonsense.
 
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govols/cc said:
I think they did found it on Christianity. I think they offered freedom of religion etc as being tolerant of them & not force feeding everything else down the majority's throat. The majority of society shouldn't have to be changed for the minority whether its race, religion, homosexuals, .........whatever.
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If the majority was atheist and wanted to ban religious marriage, you'd be good with that?
 
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govols/cc said:
I think they did found it on Christianity. I think they offered freedom of religion etc as being tolerant of them & not force feeding everything else down the majority's throat. The majority of society shouldn't have to be changed for the minority whether its race, religion, homosexuals, .........whatever.
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What you think and what the United States Constitution says are two entirely separate things. The Constitution wins out as the law of the land. The Constitution will ultimately be shown to be on the side of gay marriage, just as it was on the same side of the equality of the races and the equality of the sexes. You cannot afford rights to some and not afford them to all. That is unconstitutional.
 
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Weezer said:
What you think and what the United States Constitution says are two entirely separate things. The Constitution wins out as the law of the land. The Constitution will ultimately be shown to be on the side of gay marriage, just as it was on the same side of the equality of the races and the equality of the sexes. You cannot afford rights to some and not afford them to all. That is unconstitutional.
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That's debatable.
 
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n_huffhines said:
If the majority was atheist and wanted to ban religious marriage, you'd be good with that?
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Those who believe in "majority" rights normally only do so because they believe themselves to be in the majority. If they were to find out different, their tune would quickly change.
 
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