Republicans Belief in Evolution plummets

So at one point in time there obviously were absolutes because there are scientific laws. But somehow now there are none? Basically scientific laws either are obsolete or no longer apply?

The reason evolution is not a law is because it cannot be thoroughly tested and proven as fact.

Do yourself and the rest of us a favor and read this article explaining the differences between a hypothesis, theory and law. pay close attention to the last paragraph.

The read it again.

Scientific Hypothesis, Theory, Law Definitions
 
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Nobel Prize-winning physicist Louis Neel stated, “The progress of science, no matter how marvelous it appears to be...leads to dead ends and shows our final ineptitude at producing a rational explanation of the universe”—and, it should be added, any rational explanation for plants, animals and people.
 
Do yourself and the rest of us a favor and read this article explaining the differences between a hypothesis, theory and law. pay close attention to the last paragraph.

The read it again.

Scientific Hypothesis, Theory, Law Definitions

Like I said, evolution cannot be a law because it cannot stand up to rigorous testing and cannot be proven. Its simple.
 
"I'm too dumb to understand a lot of scientific concepts and I never will put forth any effort into learning because it's easier to just say god did it and live in ignorant bliss."
 
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Nobel Prize-winning physicist Louis Neel stated, “The progress of science, no matter how marvelous it appears to be...leads to dead ends and shows our final ineptitude at producing a rational explanation of the universe”—and, it should be added, any rational explanation for plants, animals and people.

The process of science, when properly applied, will lead to many dead ends-- and it should. At the end of the day, science is about observing, hypothesizing, testing, repeating. It will lead to dead ends, and that is a good thing.

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You haven't pointed anything out and should probably just stick to riding OC and Rousts coat tails.

I'd almost take the last bit as patronizing, but seeing how it's you - I can't help but think how adorable it is that you think your dropping knowledge like Volmav drops empty beer cans.

Again criticizing someones intelligence while unable to distinguish between homonyms. Practice kid...you'll get it soon. My 5 year old daughter has it down. I'm shore yule ketchup soon.
 
Nobel Prize-winning physicist Louis Neel stated, “The progress of science, no matter how marvelous it appears to be...leads to dead ends and shows our final ineptitude at producing a rational explanation of the universe”—and, it should be added, any rational explanation for plants, animals and people.

Source? Because context.
 
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Newton's law of universal gravitation*states that any two bodies in the universe attract each other with aforce*that is*directly proportional*to the product of their masses and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them.*

There's no how it happens in the law. It's just that gravity is a constant.

We know how evolution works (gene mutation). We know why evolution works (natural selection).

The only reason evolution is not a law? We just don't declare laws anymore. Modern science doesn't deal in absolutes.

My point is that even though we don't (yet) know everything about gravity, to even include how gravity actually works, we certainly don't go batshat crazy and demand that our children should not be taught all that we do know about gravity and that gravity does, in fact, exist.
 
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So at one point in time there obviously were absolutes because there are scientific laws. But somehow now there are none? Basically scientific laws either are obsolete or no longer apply?

The reason evolution is not a law is because it cannot be thoroughly tested and proven as fact.

No.

We don't declare laws anymore because there is never an end to the research and gravity is a huge example of that. What if, at some point, we find there are a set of circumstances that gravity no longer applies? The law, or solid theory, gets modified, peer reviewed, and research continues.
 
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My point is that even though we don't (yet) know everything about gravity, to even include how gravity actually works, we certainly don't go batshat crazy and demand that our children should not be taught all that we do know about gravity and that gravity does, in fact, exist.

Yeah. I saw your point and agree with you.
 
No.

We don't declare laws anymore because there is never an end to the research and gravity is a huge example of that. What if, at some point, we find there are a set of circumstances that gravity no longer applies? The law, or solid theory, gets modified, peer reviewed, and research continues.

So you have actually talked the leaders of the scientific community about declaring laws and they have all agreed with your statement? Please provide some proof.
 
My point is that even though we don't (yet) know everything about gravity, to even include how gravity actually works, we certainly don't go batshat crazy and demand that our children should not be taught all that we do know about gravity and that gravity does, in fact, exist.

I am not going crazy demanding anything. I just don't see the problem in teaching intelligent design along with evolution. Then let people decide for themselves. Why does evolution get shoved down peoples throats? Why can they not be taught other theories as well?
 

The retort:

https://sites.google.com/site/maartenboudry/irreducible-incoherence

...and quite frankly, this is just about the best summary of the discussion and what I have been screaming at the top of my lungs:

The most conspicuous feature of the concept of IC is not so much its ambiguity, but the discrepancy between what it seems to promise and what it eventually delivers, as far as testable empirical claims are concerned. On first reading Behe’s argument, the unsuspecting reader may be left with the impression that Behe really sticks his neck out and presents evolutionists with a clear empirical challenge. However, this apparent rigour of the IC concept as an objective criterion for design, which arguably makes it appealing to anti-evolutionists, evaporates upon closer inspection. Under the weak interpretation, the concept describes a well-known phenomenon in the living world that is unproblematic for evolutionary theory. Under the strong interpretation, IC systems would indeed confront evolutionary theory with serious problems, but Behe has not given us an inkling of how we could ever demonstrate whether a system qualifies as IC in this sense. Indeed, it would require ruling out any conceivable evolutionary history, and would thus amount to showing that no part or precursor of the system in question is able to perform any other function, in any other situation and at any time.

This allows for an interesting bait-and-switch strategy, which one could summarize as follows: “First, present evidence for weak IC in the living world, then pretend that strong IC has been demonstrated and continue to equate IC with ‘unevolvability.’ If challenged on empirical grounds, jump back to the weak version and claim that your critics are misrepresenting your argument. Switch the IC claim to subsystems and assembly of components, keep raising the standards of evidence, and reassert that all this directly follows from the simple objective criterion of IC. Finally, when really pressed against the wall, give up this particular system and quickly find a new one. Repeat the circle ad libitum.”

Highly suggest the article, written by an actual philosopher to rebut Behe's "response to philosophical objections".
 
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I know this entire article will not be read by many but I thought it was interesting. It is long with many parts.

Evolution Exposed: Deconstructing False Science

I see Roust has been reading this.


Hasty Generalization: A small sample is used to reach a broad conclusion. Suppose your local car dealership only sells red cars; a hasty generalization is to conclude that all dealerships in your country only sell red cars.

Begging the Question: Often referred to as “reasoning in a circle,” or circular logic. An assumption is used to prove a conclusion; in turn, that conclusion is used to prove the original assumption.

Misuse of Authority: Pointing to a group of experts to validate a conclusion, even if those experts disagree with each other or with the conclusion. An example would be stating that dentists prefer a certain brand of toothpaste, but never actually polling them about their preference in the first place.

Appeal to the People: Using the general public as a basis for proving a hypothesis, instead of relying on relevant evidence. Stating, “Of course, everyone accepts that as fact,” would be an example.

Argument to Future: Stating that while a theory is not yet proven, it will be with further study and investigation.

Hypothesis Contrary to Fact: Repeating as new a theory or hypothesis already disproven. This is akin to asserting that the earth might be flat, when evidence already demonstrates otherwise.

Chronological Snobbery: When a theory is either refuted or proven by dating “evidence” as extremely old, making it either no longer available or impossible to verify.
 
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I know this entire article will not be read by many but I thought it was interesting. It is long with many parts.

Evolution Exposed: Deconstructing False Science

I got to part 2 and read this:

While the general scope of evolution is still contested, even among evolutionists, it can be separated into six primary disciplines: cosmic, chemical, stellar and planetary, organic, macro, and micro. 

Cosmic evolution encompasses the origin of the universe, time and matter. The Big Bang theory falls within this discipline.

Chemical evolution involves the origin of complex elements. This discipline also attempts to explain the process in which those elements formed.

Stellar and planetary evolution focuses on the origin of stars and planets. This is distinct from cosmic evolution, yet at times can overlap it.

Organic evolution attempts to explain the origin of living matter. Origin of life research centers upon this discipline.

Right out of the gate is an epic failure. I might continue reading just for kicks though. If I find anything else I will be sure to post it.
 
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I know this entire article will not be read by many but I thought it was interesting. It is long with many parts.

Evolution Exposed: Deconstructing False Science

Skipped to part 7 and this is the first thing I read:
Throughout this article series, we have demonstrated that evolutionary processes could not account for the universe, that it is impossible for life to come from non-life, and the theory violates fundamental laws of science! No amount of arguments, hypothesis or suppositions matters. Evolution has no foundation! Nothing can change these facts. The case is closed.

In Part 6, we read Romans 1, showing how the minds of scientists and others have been blinded because they reject plain facts.

However, part of the verse was not quoted: “For the invisible things of Him [God] from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse” (vs. 20).

You have seen the pillars of evolution torn down. The passage above now applies to you. May God’s words thunder in your mind!

Because of all the proofs showing “His eternal power and Godhead,” the same God who inspired Romans 1:20 to be written also inspired Psalm 14: “The fool has said in his heart, There is no God” (vs. 1).

:unsure:

I can only imagine what is said in parts 3-6 to get to this point. Probably a lot of similarities with this thread.
 
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Awesome. A partial quote in which you can't find the context on the internet. Guess I'm going to have to give you that one or something.

However, the very first quote in that list has nothing to do with evolution.

Edit: It looks like that list is comprised mostly of quotes taken out of context.
 
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Awesome. A partial quote in which you can't find the context on the internet. Guess I'm going to have to give you that one or something.

However, the very first quote in that list has nothing to do with evolution.

Edit: It looks like that list is comprised mostly of quotes taken out of context.

About what I expected. As long as a link has info that agrees with evolution then it is accepted. Any link that disagrees with evolution is dismissed. Cool.
 
About what I expected. As long as a link has info that agrees with evolution then it is accepted. Any link that disagrees with evolution is dismissed. Cool.

E a d. I went through it. What the f more do you want? You threw me a list comprised of quotes from a bunch of dead guys that are in no way experts in fields dealing with biology (except one molecular biologist). Majority are taken out of context even, and the very first discredits the author because it is in no relation the the subject.
 
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