Republicans Belief in Evolution plummets

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Roustabout said:
One? There are multiple citations, and more being added all the time. MP, this just exposes that either you haven't even looked, or you have no sincere interest in the first place.

What's funny is that you again lit your own fuse, and demonstrated that you are the one with their head in the sand. Your continued name calling, ad-hominems, and repeated fallacies actually say a lot. Resorting to name calling, rhetoric, platitudes, etc. does EXPOSE a person's character and motives.

Let me clarify a few things.
-Fallacious reasoning was pointed out. You committed another fallacy to back it up. That's a fact.
-You made a bald assertion about arguing the Bible. I challenged you to validate your point. You can't, so you result to name calling.

What am I missing here?
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I guess you'll just have to pray for me. :)
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Just for the record, I stopped responding to MP long ago since he has proven himself of in-consequence and unworthy of the time. He is a scared child, panicked and fearfully clinging to the side of the pool while mocking those swimming in the deep end.
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In other words, he is terribly frightened by the implications of me being right. So it goes.
 
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Roustabout said:
Here is the sickening irony of statements from Harris and all the new atheists. If materialism is correct, then an act of charity, love or benevolence is no more significant than an elephant fart. A child being ravaged by small pox?
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You can put personal significance into those actions. While there may not be santa-god making a naughty or nice list, that's no reason not to act according to your own conscious.

Unless you're some kind of loon. :)
 
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rjd970 said:
Not really. When we have people in this thread that ask me questions like "Do you really believe a single cell organism really evolved into this plant"....then I think it is perfectly reasonable to place a quote I believe points out the clear hypocrisy.

Feel free to point out what is wrong with the statement or mock it. It doesn't matter to me.
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No, I agree. I've seen some stupid post by my fellow Christians on this foru. But that is a double edged sword.

For example, an atheist makes a statement like, It's logical.......
And then I'll be attacked by atheist for pointing out logocal fallacies. It seems that logic is fine as long as it serves your (speaking generally here) agenda. I can't stand it when Christians make assinine statements, and I point it out regularly.
 
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MercyPercy said:
You can put personal significance into those actions. While there may not be santa-god making a naughty or nice list, that's no reason not to act according to your own conscious.

Unless you're some kind of loon. :)
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Again, you smuggle in objective morality where it suits you. You are saying that a person SHOULD act....
You are being a hypocrite here.

Of course the problem is that there is no reference point or inherent value to your statement. It's circular. People SHOULD do the right thing because it's the right thing to do. Perhaps Hitler was just acting in accordance with his conscious and felt he was doing the world a favor by wiping out Jews.
 
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Roustabout said:
Again, you smuggle in objective morality where it suits you. You are saying that a person SHOULD act....
You are being a hypocrite here.

Of course the problem is that there is no reference point or inherent value to your statement. It's circular. People SHOULD do the right thing because it's the right thing to do. Perhaps Hitler was just acting in accordance with his conscious and felt he was doing the world a favor by wiping out Jews.
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Release the hounds!
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Yeah but gay sex is sickening. If gay sex was right then they would be able to procreate. Simple as that.
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so should all hetero couples be forced to pass fertility tests before engaging in sex or marriage? If procreation is a qualifier you're going to need lots of regulations to make sure everyone is able
 
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utvolpj said:
so should all hetero couples be forced to pass fertility tests before engaging in sex or marriage? If procreation is a qualifier you're going to need lots of regulations to make sure everyone is able
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No but a financial responsibility and ability test before having children would be great.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
:eek:lol::eek:lol: You actually think 99% of the scientific community and the general population believe in evolution. That is the dumbest statement I have ever heard. Wow. Ok that's all I need to hear from you. The ignore button awaits you. Thanks for playing :eek:lol:
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Read up on Project Steve and discuss.
 
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Roustabout said:
Again, you smuggle in objective morality where it suits you. You are saying that a person SHOULD act....
You are being a hypocrite here.

Of course the problem is that there is no reference point or inherent value to your statement. It's circular. People SHOULD do the right thing because it's the right thing to do. Perhaps Hitler was just acting in accordance with his conscious and felt he was doing the world a favor by wiping out Jews.
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Perhaps it was gods will. Who are you to say what Hitler did was wrong?
 
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Vol8188 said:
Perhaps it was gods will. Who are you to say what Hitler did was wrong?
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Well that is the beauty of objective morality. I am not appealing to myself, my opinion, or even the opinion of a group of people. But instead I am appealing to a standard outside myself.
It is unfortunate that after all this discussion you have to ask that question.
 
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Roustabout said:
Well that is the beauty of objective morality. I am not appealing to myself, my opinion, or even the opinion of a group of people. But instead I am appealing to a standard outside myself.
It is unfortunate that after all this discussion you have to ask that question.
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You are going off god standard. Therefor if god told him to do this, you're cool with it. Right?

Such like since god said the wages of sin were death, then it's cool to kill infidels. Right?
 
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Vol8188 said:
You are going off god standard. Therefor if god told him to do this, you're cool with it. Right?

Such like since god said the wages of sin were death, then it's cool to kill infidels. Right?
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Dude, I already addressed this with you. You are attacking divine command theory, which I do not ascribe to. The argument for OM can be made without any reference to the Bible. it's an ontological argument. Aristotle, and brilliant thinkers who lived before Christ, and were not influenced by the OT were making these arguments. You are being petty and prejudicial. When you don't like the way things are going you make faulty emotional appeals, attack strawmen, elephant hurl, and do anything to derail the focus of the argument.

Also, if you want a detailed explanation of the difficulties in the Bible, (Slavery, etc.) then may I recommend Paul Copan's book, Is God a Moral Monster. It is thorough and doesn't dodge any hard question.
 
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Vol8188 said:
You are going off god standard. Therefor if god told him to do this, you're cool with it. Right?

Such like since god said the wages of sin were death, then it's cool to kill infidels. Right?
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2 Peter 1:20 -- knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone’s own interpretation.

1 Peter 3:15 but in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect, 16 having a good conscience, so that, when you are slandered, those who revile your good behavior in Christ may be put to shame. 17 For it is better to suffer for doing good, if that should be God's will, than for doing evil.

Romans 2:1 Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things. 2 We know that the judgment of God rightly falls on those who practice such things. 3 Do you suppose, O man—you who judge those who practice such things and yet do them yourself—that you will escape the judgment of God? 4 Or do you presume on the riches of his kindness and forbearance and patience, not knowing that God's kindness is meant to lead you to repentance? 5 But because of your hard and impenitent heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath when God's righteous judgment will be revealed.

2 Timothy 3:16All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17that the man of Godb may be competent, equipped for every good work.

The Bible is the standard. God is the judge. Believers are to treat unbelievers well, and even suffer at their hands for the glory of Jesus. If a "believer" decided to kill unbelievers they would be judged against the actual Word of God. If something told someone to do something against the Word of God, it would by definition not be God.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
2 Peter 1:20 -- knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone’s own interpretation.

1 Peter 3:15 but in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect, 16 having a good conscience, so that, when you are slandered, those who revile your good behavior in Christ may be put to shame. 17 For it is better to suffer for doing good, if that should be God's will, than for doing evil.

Romans 2:1 Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things. 2 We know that the judgment of God rightly falls on those who practice such things. 3 Do you suppose, O man—you who judge those who practice such things and yet do them yourself—that you will escape the judgment of God? 4 Or do you presume on the riches of his kindness and forbearance and patience, not knowing that God's kindness is meant to lead you to repentance? 5 But because of your hard and impenitent heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath when God's righteous judgment will be revealed.

2 Timothy 3:16All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17that the man of Godb may be competent, equipped for every good work.

The Bible is the standard. God is the judge. Believers are to treat unbelievers well, and even suffer at their hands for the glory of Jesus. If a "believer" decided to kill unbelievers they would be judged against the actual Word of God. If something told someone to do something against the Word of God, it would by definition not be God.
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So when God ordered Joshua to kill every man woman and child in Canaan, that was cool?
 
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Vol8188 said:
So when God ordered Joshua to kill every man woman and child in Canaan, that was cool?
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I've already covered that. You are grasping.

Edit: I have some time so I'll list again what I've told you, then give some specifics to your question above.

In talking to Joshua, God was speaking to a theocratic nation. The church is not a theocratic nation, so we are not called to execute His judgments as Joshua/Israel was. I told you this. You don't want answers. You want to double-down on ignorance. But I'll continue in an effort to educate anyone else who may actually want more than your beloved ignorance.

God told Israel to either kill or drive out everyone that was in the promised land. Why did he do this? primarily for two reasons. Because it was time to judge those people for their idolatrous practices, which included such heinous child murdering acts as I listed previously in this thread. But, God was very gracious in how he approached this. In Genesis 15, God told Abraham this:

As the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell on Abram. And behold, dreadful and great darkness fell upon him. Then the Lord said to Abram, “Know for certain that your offspring will be sojourners in a land that is not theirs and will be servants there, and they will be afflicted for four hundred years. But I will bring judgment on the nation that they serve, and afterward they shall come out with great possessions. As for you, you shall go to your fathers in peace; you shall be buried in a good old age. And they shall come back here in the fourth generation, for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet complete.” (Genesis 15:12-16, ESV)
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After saying this, he sent Abraham on a sojourn across the promised land, among these people, to live out the truth of the message of Yahweh. Then Abraham's kids did the same. Then God gave these people 400 years to respond to the message that God exists and they should worship him instead of sacrificing their kids to idols.

After a 400 year passage of time, allowed for them to repent, God sent Israel in as His judgment.

Don't like it? You can take it up with him.

The second reason, besides judgment, was because if Israel did not wipe out the people, they would take on the practices. Which, they didn't follow his command, and they took on the idolatry of child sacrifice. It got so common in Israel that King Solomon built idols.

But again. That was Israel-- a theocracy. The church is not Israel. The NT is closed and we are told there will be no new revelation. Everything is to be weighed against the example and command that God gave the church. So, this is a red herring. You knew that. I told you that. But you want your ignorance so you can keep diverting with ignorant questions.
 
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