Republicans Belief in Evolution plummets

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Orange_Crush said:
You mean the naturalist religion that, according to your posts, pops out college graduates that don't think for themselves and are programmed to be naturalists and trust others to think for them?

That is a war, I guess.
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Science 101 is not a religion. Stop trying to equate them.
 
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MercyPercy said:
Certainly not. Some things have too much evidence for them to ignore. I go into these things without the bias of religion to create unnecessary contradictions.
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OK. List the evidence that proves Darwinian evolution. I'm all ears. If it that heavily proven, then it should be easy for you to list the vast amount of evidence that proves it.

I should have no choice but to change philosophies.

Go.
 
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rjd970 said:
List of transitional fossils - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The only problem I see with arguing down this road is once a transitional fossil is found it you will show it creates two more gaps in the evolutionary sequence, and when those are found it will create two more, ad infinitum. It's a never ending argument that gets ridiculous. But they are there.
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Has it been pointed out yet that fossils require a very specific set of circumstances to even occur? So, naturally, finding every (or even many) transitional fossil is impossible.

It can be said that evolution requires a bit of faith, but differently defined faith than religion requires.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
I'm not mad. I'm pointing out that all you can do is ignore the philosophical implications and history of science to simply repeat the bolded without support. It's quite lame and hard to watch. I feel for you. You are on the failed side of an argument and shoving your fingers in your ears.

I care a lot about what science has to say. I care less what it has to say when filtered through unscientific metaphysical claims.
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Who's really shoving their fingers in ears?



Orange_Crush said:
They've waited 150 years for a fossil record that will prove the theory. They'll wait 150 more.
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Orange_Crush said:
I'm saying that it's question-begging to make the assertion that that's what happened.

:hi:
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Orange_Crush said:
I'm saying that I believe we are here because God knew exactly what He wanted us to be.
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Orange_Crush said:
It appears that the conversation that is happening in the philosophy class needs to be audited by those in the science class. The above was a grand cop-out.
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VOLatile said:
Has it been pointed out yet that fossils require a very specific set of circumstances to even occur? So, naturally, finding every (or even many) transitional fossil is impossible.

It can be said that evolution requires a bit of faith, but differently defined faith than religion requires.
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It's been said that supernaturalists would insert the danger of the "god of the gaps" into science. lol

So as the fossil record is held up as evidence, when the fossil record is actually observed, Darwinism is left explaining why the evidence is not there?
 
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Orange_Crush said:
OK. List the evidence that proves Darwinian evolution. I'm all ears. If it that heavily proven, then it should be easy for you to list the vast amount of evidence that proves it.

I should have no choice but to change philosophies.

Go.
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You're so funny. If you were really open-minded, you would research it for yourself. There are countless books and educational courses that detail theory of evolution. I would start with The Greatest Show On Earth by Richard Dawkins. It's an exceptionally easy and entertaining read.
 
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VOLatile said:
Has it been pointed out yet that fossils require a very specific set of circumstances to even occur? So, naturally, finding every (or even many) transitional fossil is impossible.

It can be said that evolution requires a bit of faith, but differently defined faith than religion requires.
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Finding every transitional fossil would be mathematically impossible too. There is an infinite number of numbers between 1 and 2. We can show fossil 1 and fossil 2 and infer on what happened in between. Finding every step would be impossible. Like I said, the problem of the gaps will be there no matter the number of fossils found.
 
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rjd970 said:
Who's really shoving their fingers in ears?
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I've said from the beginning that I am a man of faith, and I've been very upfront about my philosophical underpinnings. How about you?

I've shown that the naturalist metaphysics are a late-comer to the scientific process and the process does not depend on naturalism. I've stated that mainstream science has created a "True Scots", self insulating fallacy.

Do you still want to deny? Or come on out in the open with me when it comes to the metaphysical side of things?
 
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Orange_Crush said:
It's been said that supernaturalists would insert the danger of the "god of the gaps" into science. lol

So as the fossil record is held up as evidence, when the fossil record is actually observed, Darwinism is left explaining why the evidence is not there?
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It's a simple explanation.

I'm sorry, where's even the remotest scientific evidence for creationism or intelligent design?
 
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We aren't talking about philosophy, we are discussing science. You cannot separate them, which is the anchor that drags down every argument you put forth.
 
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VOLatile said:
It's a simple explanation.

I'm sorry, where's even the remotest scientific evidence for creationism or intelligent design?
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GTFO with your naturalistic bias.

Didn't you know science needs to philosophically rectify those theories?
 
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VOLatile said:
You're so funny. If you were really open-minded, you would research it for yourself. There are countless books and educational courses that detail theory of evolution. I would start with The Greatest Show On Earth by Richard Dawkins. It's an exceptionally easy and entertaining read.
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Oh, I've read widely on the subject. I just thought, since it's so proven and obvious, you guys may have something to bring to the table. I get a lot of "trust what the experts say". I read the experts and get a lot of faith and bad philosophy, mostly explaining either (a) why the expected evidence isn't there, or (b) it's really hard to explain so I should just trust them.

I get very little specific, conclusive evidence, and a lot of "a full combination of all of the natural sciences irrefutably prove evolution". But, darnit, I don't get anyone saying, "Look here. At this. This proves that all life evolved from a single ancestor".

It's funny that way.

If I have missed anything, I am opening myself to you. I am ready to believe it. Convince me. Give me that smoking gun evidence everyone assures me is there.
 
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rjd970 said:
GTFO with your naturalistic bias.

Didn't you know science needs to philosophically rectify those theories?
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It's quite easy to get in a group of like-minded people and resort to sarcasm. It's funny that, with your side of the argument per science/metaphysics so unabashedly shattered you just fall into this instead.

It's disappointing.

I'll end the discussion now. I'll leave you that.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
It's quite easy to get in a group of like-minded people and resort to sarcasm. It's funny that, with your side of the argument per science/metaphysics so unabashedly shattered you just fall into this instead.

It's disappointing.

I'll end the discussion now. I'll leave you that.
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These threads usually begin or turn into a pro-religion circlejerk gangbang "lalalalala I can't hear you"-fest.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
It's quite easy to get in a group of like-minded people and resort to sarcasm. It's funny that, with your side of the argument per science/metaphysics so unabashedly shattered you just fall into this instead.

It's disappointing.

I'll end the discussion now. I'll leave you that.
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Whatever makes you feel better.
 
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