Let's Talk About Sin

#52
#52
Vol4LifeLCA said:
Here's my 2 cents on the whole sin debate.

Are all sins equal in the eyes of humanity? No. Society doesn't dish out equal punishments for murders as they do someone that lies on their tax return (and gets caught).

Are all sins equal in the eyes of God? Yes. All sin takes us away from God and every sin is forgivable.
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Romans 2:12-16
Sin is judged based on what you know.
All sin is forgivable. All unforgiven sin will be punished.
All unforgiven sin is not equall
 
#53
#53
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Jesus said, “Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the miracles had occurred in Tyre and Sidon which occurred in you, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. 22 “Nevertheless I say to you, it shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon in the day of judgment, than for you. 23 “And you, Capernaum, will not be exalted to heaven, will you? You shall descend to Hades; for if the miracles had occurred in Sodom which occurred in you, it would have remained to this day. 24 “Nevertheless I say to you that it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for you.” (Matt. 11:21-24)
 
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Daloth said:
That's where the Grey/Gray morality of life comes in. To me there is no real Black or White or Good or Evil.

My mother is one of the nicest ladies you'll meet, her mother was arguably a modern day saint. Both of them truly feel interracial marriage is a sin and an abomination to god. I think that's a terrible closed minded thought in every way. They believe that way because the bible says so, and nothing else.
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You and/or your mother are mistaken. The belief that interracial marriage is a sin is secular... not biblical. Most likely routed more in southern heritage.
 
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orangeslice13 said:
All sin is forgivable.

As in "no sin out weighs the glory of God."

All unforgiven sin will be punished.

As in "the wages of sin is death"

Its up to you to ask for forgiveness.
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You see why it doesn't make sense.

If it had said "all forgivable sin is forgivable" and then went on about unforgivable sin, it would have made more sense. Then, that would bring up the question of forgivable vs unforgivable sin.

Then again, not believing in the face of no evidence, believing falsely, or believing in a false God/prophet are supposed unforgivable sins (regardless of Earthly deeds) but murder, mass murder, rape, theft, etc. are not only on equal footing with white lies but forgivable. Makes believing all the more difficult of a task for a skeptic.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
You see why it doesn't make sense.

If it had said "all forgivable sin is forgivable" and then went on about unforgivable sin, it would have made more sense. Then, that would bring up the question of forgivable vs unforgivable sin.

Then again, not believing in the face of no evidence, believing falsely, or believing in a false God/prophet are supposed unforgivable sins (regardless of Earthly deeds) but murder, mass murder, rape, theft, etc. are not only on equal footing with white lies but forgivable. Makes believing all the more difficult of a task for a skeptic.
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Link? uhhh......... Verse?
 
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PKT_VOL said:
You see why it doesn't make sense.

If it had said "all forgivable sin is forgivable" and then went on about unforgivable sin, it would have made more sense. Then, that would bring up the question of forgivable vs unforgivable sin.

Then again, not believing in the face of no evidence, believing falsely, or believing in a false God/prophet are supposed unforgivable sins (regardless of Earthly deeds) but murder, mass murder, rape, theft, etc. are not only on equal footing with white lies but forgivable. Makes believing all the more difficult of a task for a skeptic.
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Accept the lord as your savior and all the murder, mass murder, rape, theft, etc. are forgiven. At least that's how I read it.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
You might not, but there are many Christians who feel that way.
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They should read what Jesus said here.

“I promise you that any of the sinful things you say or do can be forgiven, no matter how terrible those things are. But if you speak against the Holy Spirit, you can never be forgiven. That sin will be held against you forever.” — Mark 3:28-29 (CEV)
 
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orangeslice13 said:
They should read what Jesus said here.

“I promise you that any of the sinful things you say or do can be forgiven, no matter how terrible those things are. But if you speak against the Holy Spirit, you can never be forgiven. That sin will be held against you forever.” — Mark 3:28-29 (CEV)
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Sure, but what the Holy Spirit is and what it entails varies widely. Mormons accept Jesus but also believe in yet another testament. A lot of Protestant believers think they are going to hell for false believing. Same for the infighting between various sects.
 
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Choosing not to believe in god, in other words, exercising "free will", will get you a one way ticket to Hell.

Meanwhile, murdering and raping a kid will get you to heaven as long as you say you're sorry.

Seems logical.
 
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Vol8188 said:
I think an interesting question about sin would be, "do you believe your preferred deity punishes sin, and if so do you believe it is punishes during or after life?"

One of the most interesting parts of the bible is the dramatic change in this aspect. In the Old Testament all sin was punished during life. Then in the New Testament the concept of hell and punishment during the after life emerges.
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I normally do not get involved in discussions such as these on Volnation, however your concept of sin in the Old testament is interesting.

Sin's in the OT were NOT punished, they were atoned for, the term means to put off punishment for a year. In the new Testament sins are un-forgiven... thus no punishment needed.

All sins are not punished by the way ... only those that are forgiven... However if they are not forgiven ... the judgement of them must be faced ....
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
Choosing not to believe in god, in other words, exercising "free will", will get you a one way ticket to Hell.

Meanwhile, murdering and raping a kid will get you to heaven as long as you say you're sorry.

Seems logical.
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No one has ever been forgiven by saying "I am sorry" forgiveness only come with true repentance...

repentance means to make a complete turn around.... most people will not do this, they simply try to keep doing what they have always done and only say, as you have implied I'm sorry
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
Choosing not to believe in god, in other words, exercising "free will", will get you a one way ticket to Hell.

Meanwhile, murdering and raping a kid will get you to heaven as long as you say you're sorry.

Seems logical.
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Asking for forgiveness and repentance are not the same thing at all. The latter is what gets you forgiveness from God.

Too many churches preach "forgiveness" and the whole message of Jesus gets lost.
 
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Vol8188 said:
I think an interesting question about sin would be, "do you believe your preferred deity punishes sin, and if so do you believe it is punishes during or after life?"

One of the most interesting parts of the bible is the dramatic change in this aspect. In the Old Testament all sin was punished during life. Then in the New Testament the concept of hell and punishment during the after life emerges.
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That's before and after Christ!
Jesus came to this world to pay for our sin! Therefore that's when the punishing went from during life to eternity!
 
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#75
Persian Vol said:
My friend is Muslim and strongly believes in Jinns which are basically Muslim demons to an extent. He says, whenever you see one, you should say "bismallah" and they will go away. Then I asked him, what if they are not Muslim and they see a Jinn? He said he doesn't know. He says you have to be really religious for Jinns to come to you. He then told me stories about how Jinns will come into your room while you sleep an start doing things, even laying on you, and your body cannot move whatsoever. Then the premed student that I am investigated this, and came across the concept of sleep paralysis. Which if anyone want to google, fits the criteria of what my friend was talking about through a scientific explanation. I came to the realization that if someone was not exposed to the idea of Jinns or Demons(my friend is really religious), there is a much less likelihood of them going through vivid dreams involving demons in comparison to a priest.

Anecdote over

Relating to the conversation, I think the idea of sin at a global level is arbitrary.
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Kinda late to the party on this but I have had sleep paralysis happen to me before on multiple occasions. Some of the scariest experiences I've ever had. I'll wake in the middle of the night unable to move, breath or talk for what seems like forever. Eventually it will go away but is very scary when it happens. My wife tried to "wake" me once during it but I still wasn't able to do anything. I can easily see how someone could think of it as being demonic in nature.
 
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