'15 JUCO RB Alvin Kamara (UT commit 6/21/14)

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kyoon2 said:
harvard does not accept kids with 25s to play football...
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It's well documented that race, gender, and economic status confer a significant admissions advantage in certain elite private universities...completely outside of athletics, which almost certainly does as well. A poor black female will get in with far lower scores than an affluent asian male. A "cool story bro" example of that is a classmate of my daughter at a local Christian school who was accepted to Harvard. While her scores and grades were excellent, they were no better than some of the others there who happened not to be black or female. She actually mocked the fact that they accepted her on that basis and chose to go to UT rather than be a product of affirmative action admissions.
 
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jave36 said:
My favorite part is how he assumes people ignore him because he's so clever and hurts feelings so well.

And the bow tie part. I think middle school was the last time I heard someone bring clothing into an argument.
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No foreal. That outfit is horrible.
 
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QVOL81 said:
No foreal. That outfit is horrible.
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Lol. It's a bad pic. If I cared enough about vn's clothing opinions I'd upload a pic of that outfit where my feet aren't cut off and you'd see it's not as goofy as that pic makes it seem. If every one of you think my clothing is goofy though, I just don't care.

There's no bow tie though.
 
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kyoon2 said:
compromise means to weaken by accepting standards that are lower than desirable. When you said, "If you honestly think that allowing a couple of at risk football players into UT every year is compromising the university's integrity, then you are the one who needs to get checked" you gave us the clearest definition of how not to use that word. Even if you argue that you are using a colloquial meaning of the word, you would still be wrong. Just in case this is still unclear, I will repeat, you do not know how to use the word. :hi:

The university's operation is way greater than a football program, as much as people would deny that. Last year, the AD gave less than 2 million dollars to the university. Please tell me how significant that is to the university's 1.6 billion dollar budget.
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Cool, you're starting to throw actual numbers out. 1.6 billion, which is wrong, it's currently sitting at 1.91 billion. And your point is most of this dollar amount is from other sources other than the athletic department.

That being said, you're original argument was that UT shouldn't allow some risky players on the team because it may hurt the integrity of the program. So which is it? The athletic department is only responsible for a small fraction of what brings money and funding into the university so a risky player or 2 according to your own dollar total would be immaterial. Or do you really believe bringing these kids into a program that is only a small part of a larger machine will tear the very fabric of the university apart?

Point is you contradicted yourself, and bringing Kamara in, if he's even available, wouldn't even be blip on the radar screen. Also, since the athletic department only accounts for such a small amount taking no state appropriations, why even have them send any money to the academic side? I mean they make most of their money through tuition, and state and federal funding. It stands to reason, just let them run completely autonomous from one another like most not for profit companies are generally ran(if ran correctly).
 
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sanddune50 said:
Lol. Speaking of, last I checked I don't come on anonymous message boards touting my resume. As if anyone cares what you do outside of here. Seems like you are another insecure douchenozzle that likes to pile on because your lady parts won't allow you to stand alone. Must be a lot of weak pathetic people under you wherever you work.
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No one cares what he does? Weren't you the one just talking about what another poster does for a living to try and put them down? That's pretty low but I guess that's what gives you your jollies so who am I to question it. Not sure what's with all the hostility. We're all Vol fans here after all.
 
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sanddune50 said:
Cool, you're starting to throw actual numbers out. 1.6 billion, which is wrong, it's currently sitting at 1.91 billion. And your point is most of this dollar amount is from other sources other than the athletic department.

That being said, you're original argument was that UT shouldn't allow some risky players on the team because it may hurt the integrity of the program. So which is it? The athletic department is only responsible for a small fraction of what brings money and funding into the university so a risky player or 2 according to your own dollar total would be immaterial. Or do you really believe bringing these kids into a program that is only a small part of a larger machine will tear the very fabric of the university apart?

Point is you contradicted yourself, and bringing Kamara in, if he's even available, wouldn't even be blip on the radar screen. Also, since the athletic department only accounts for such a small amount taking no state appropriations, why even have them send any money to the academic side? I mean they make most of their money through tuition, and state and federal funding. It stands to reason, just let them run completely autonomous from one another like most not for profit companies are generally ran(if ran correctly).
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I did not contradict myself at all... I first talked about the academic integrity and started talking about the $ issue separately... sorry that you can't keep up. Even if the two issues could be seen as combined, I still don't contradict myself at all. If anything, you seem to be contradicting yourself, but quite clearly, you seem to be confused.
 
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SSVol said:
It's well documented that race, gender, and economic status confer a significant admissions advantage in certain elite private universities...completely outside of athletics, which almost certainly does as well. A poor black female will get in with far lower scores than an affluent asian male. A "cool story bro" example of that is a classmate of my daughter at a local Christian school who was accepted to Harvard. While her scores and grades were excellent, they were no better than some of the others there who happened not to be black or female. She actually mocked the fact that they accepted her on that basis and chose to go to UT rather than be a product of affirmative action admissions.
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Not saying you are a liar, but you don't deny Harvard out of spite and "choose" to go to UT.
 
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kyoon2 said:
it means you wouldn't get into UT now. What else does that mean? :machgun:
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I guess it means im a little slow or your ability to convey your thoughts in a meaningful way suck....not really sure what you meant with that.

What it actually means is that unless you score in the 30's on the act & have a gpa near 4.0 you probably aren't getting in as a freshman either. The hope scholarship has raised academic standard for incoming freshman by increasing the number of students applying for admission. You know, supply & demand, more freshman vs same number of spots.

As for me, it simply means I would have went to a community college for two years then finished at UT. For someone preaching about academic integrity you sure are a pompous ass. If you are in fact a graduate of UT then your degree reads the same as mine. Based on your standard of academic integrity (exclusion) Im not good enough for your university yet I hold the same degree. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. Just because a incoming borderline student (athlete or not) may have to work a little harder than some to make the grade doesnt make them dumb or inferior to others. It just means they have to work harder. You believe that exceptions to set academic standards weaken the universities standing among other schools. Wouldnt that only be the case if said exceptions flunked out? Otherwise, what does it matter? You are assuming the borderline kids flunk & the elite kids graduate when in reality it goes both ways with each.
 
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Phat-Phil said:
No one cares what he does? Weren't you the one just talking about what another poster does for a living to try and put them down? That's pretty low but I guess that's what gives you your jollies so who am I to question it. Not sure what's with all the hostility. We're all Vol fans here after all.
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This is where this goes downhill. You guys apparently read what you want to. Again, I didn't initiate anything. Java started in with the personal attack. I hadn't said a word to his dumbarse in months. I responded, and every other person that has a problem with me wanted to chime in. How about we let everyone fend for themselves. I'm done with this nonsense.
 
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kyoon2 said:
I did not contradict myself at all... I first talked about the academic integrity and started talking about the $ issue separately... sorry that you can't keep up. Even if the two issues could be seen as combined, I still don't contradict myself at all. If anything, you seem to be contradicting yourself, but quite clearly, you seem to be confused.
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I keep up just fine. I spelled out how you contradicted yourself. Sorry, it went above your head. Probably should stick with more simplistic conversations moving forward. You've explained nothing but made canned statements and backed it up with nothing. Kinda like saying I contradicted myself. No explanation, nothing. Pretty much like your take on this topic. Nothing.
 
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Magic8Vol said:
I guess it means im a little slow or your ability to convey your thoughts in a meaningful way suck....not really sure what you meant with that.

What it actually means is that unless you score in the 30's on the act & have a gpa near 4.0 you probably aren't getting in as a freshman either. The hope scholarship has raised academic standard for incoming freshman by increasing the number of students applying for admission. You know, supply & demand, more freshman vs same number of spots.

As for me, it simply means I would have went to a community college for two years then finished at UT. For someone preaching about academic integrity you sure are a pompous ass. If you are in fact a graduate of UT then your degree reads the same as mine. Based on your standard of academic integrity (exclusion) Im not good enough for your university yet I hold the same degree. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. Just because a incoming borderline student (athlete or not) may have to work a little harder than some to make the grade doesnt make them dumb or inferior to others. It just means they have to work harder. You believe that exceptions to set academic standards weaken the universities standing among other schools. Wouldnt that only be the case if said exceptions flunked out? Otherwise, what does it matter? You are assuming the borderline kids flunk & the elite kids graduate when in reality it goes both ways with each.
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30 or 4.0 is a lot closer to the Vandy standard than UT's. My degree is not same as yours because you went to school 15 years ago before Hope scholarship. You might call it same, but let's compete for the same job and see if the employer share your view. If you have to work harder to get the same result as another person in school, it usually means you are dumber. It wouldn't be the only case because instructors have to slow down to teach the slower kids, that's why it matters. In addition, if the dumb kids go out and are inadequately performing in the workforce, it lowers the value of my degree. I am not assuming what you are proposing that I am assuming. Your framework is really flawed, think a bit more before posting.
 
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Magic8Vol said:
I know I know but I just couldnt help myself. I was bored with waiting on my wife shopping at 11pm & he came across like a real D-Bag. I apologize for hijacking the kamara thread. I absolutely hate when people do that!
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you are the good one here. :clapping:
 
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so is this guy transferring here?

this is from Nov. 30

Alvin Kamara ‏@A_kamara6 30 Nov
Shoulda stayed wit my boys.... @RyanJenkinsTV @TreyPaulk1 @Cranteeee
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kyoon2 said:
30 or 4.0 is a lot closer to the Vandy standard than UT's. My degree is not same as yours because you went to school 15 years ago before Hope scholarship. You might call it same, but let's compete for the same job and see if the employer share your view. If you have to work harder to get the same result as another person in school, it usually means you are dumber. It wouldn't be the only case because instructors have to slow down to teach the slower kids, that's why it matters. In addition, if the dumb kids go out and are inadequately performing in the workforce, it lowers the value of my degree. I am not assuming what you are proposing that I am assuming. Your framework is really flawed, think a bit more before posting.
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No 30 & 4.0 are pretty close, my daughter just graduated in may so im pretty familiar with the standard.

Higher incoming standards doesnt equal better education just a higher cutoff for admissions. You are a real tool & dont even realize how pathetic you sound. Do you honestly believe the education you receive now is better because of a higher admission standard? Based on that line of reasoning you should consider asking for a refund! As for if we were applying for the same job, I will put my sorry old degree & 10 yrs of experience as a department head over 60 plus employees against your resume anytime.
 
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