did obama order

[volmaverick]

Ask him. He's president.

If I had to guess, I'd say its because Mandela's struggle with three decades in prison, and then his forgiveness and graciousness after that to try to move his country along, inspired a worldwide acknowledgment of places where there is still the kind of 19th century thinking that separates man. Whereas Thatcher did things like blow crap up on the Falkland Islands.

Margaret Thatcher only helped free how many people from behind the Iron Curtain

 

[FLVOL69]

Why not just come out with it and admit you are saying Obama did it for Mandela because he's black? Even though you have no evidence for that as his motivation, other that he is, in fact, black.

At least VM admits to his resentment that the black POTUS honored a black foreign national.

I'll say it ...

 

[lawgator1]

Margaret Thatcher only helped free how many people from behind the Iron Curtain

So now you are championing lowering the flag for foreign leaders who accomplished things in yet another foreign country?

I'm confused.

 

[DC_Vol]

So now you are championing lowering the flag for foreign leaders who accomplished things in yet another foreign country?

I'm confused.

Is this an act or are you mentally slow. His question was why for Mandela but not for Thatcher?

It's really not confusing.

 

[utvolpj]

Why not just come out with it and admit you are saying Obama did it for Mandela because he's black? Even though you have no evidence for that as his motivation, other that he is, in fact, black.

At least VM admits to his resentment that the black POTUS honored a black foreign national.

because that would imply a secret meaning and you said that doesn't exist.

I don't view it as a race thing (sorry to disappoint since I know how you are always dying to call someone a racist). If I had to guess I'd say he did it because of ideology. He agrees with what one represents and despises the other

 

[lawgator1]

I'll say it ...

Ok.

And I say:

1) You can make a good argument it ought to be for Americans, only.

2) You cannot say that Obama is the only one to do it.

3) Based on the HUGE universe of exactly one comparison, you have concluded that Obama did this for Mandela because he's black. That's idiotic as many black leaders have died in the last five years, in this country and around the world, and Obama didn't make the order then.

 

[FLVOL69]

Ok.

And I say:

1) You can make a good argument it ought to be for Americans, only.

2) You cannot say that Obama is the only one to do it.

3) Based on the HUGE universe of exactly one comparison, you have concluded that Obama did this for Mandela because he's black. That's idiotic as many black leaders have died in the last five years, in this country and around the world, and Obama didn't make the order then.

They weren't commies...

 

[lawgator1]

Is this an act or are you mentally slow. His question was why for Mandela but not for Thatcher?

It's really not confusing.

Other people are saying never for non-Americans. Now people are saying if for Mandela, then also for Thatcher. As has become typical of the far right, and critics of Obama in the GOP, you are so anxious to find something to snidely comment on when it comes to Obama that you change the target and the basis of criticism each time your argument is met, and soundly disproven.

 

[DC_Vol]

Wrong - you are trying to change the trajectory of the thread in order to make this look like a non issue when it's actually a very fair question.

Did Obama Order
Flags lowered and attend the funeral of Margaret Thatcher?

The OP above....

One can make that argument.

But one cannot claim that its only Obama who has done it. And clear point of the thread start was to make this look like an Obama-specific phenomenon, when it clearly is not.

Your effort to derail above. The purpose of the OP had nothing to do with comparing Obama to another president.

It had nothing to do with an American and non American. It mentioned two non Americans and asked why one and not the other.

 

[Obsessed]

Wrong - you are trying to change the trajectory of the thread in order to make this look like a non issue when it's actually a very fair question.




The OP above....



Your effort to derail above. The purpose of the OP had nothing to do with comparing Obama to another president.

It had nothing to do with an American and non American. It mentioned two non Americans and asked why one and not the other.

Looks like class is almost out. Good job DC

 

[AirVol]

When Oprah dies of obesity, Obozo will order flags half staff too,...but not Phil Donohue because he's a cracka.

 

[FLVOL_79]

How old are you? He was kind of a big deal even here in the 1983-84 timeframe, iirc. Certainly more direct influence in the US than Sadat.

At any rate, as I say, I can see the argument that its the American flag so to be honored with it being lowered to half mast, you have to be a US citizen. There's an undeniable and appealing logic to that.

Not old enough to care about anything other than Transformers, M.A.S.K, and Voltron in the 80's. I remember the hubbub about Mandela being a prisoner for so long etc etc and he got freed and negotiated with the Pres. of S.Africa.

If anything it showed how good people had it in American compared to the South Africans..

 

[FLVOL_79]

So now you are championing lowering the flag for foreign leaders who accomplished things in yet another foreign country?

I'm confused.

Europe > Africa.. :good!:

 

[volmaverick]

Not old enough to care about anything other than Transformers, M.A.S.K, and Voltron in the 80's. I remember the hubbub about Mandela being a prisoner for so long etc etc and he got freed and negotiated with the Pres. of S.Africa.

If anything it showed how good people had it in American compared to the South Africans..

people in South Africa white and black had it better while he was in prison

 

[FLVOL_79]

people in South Africa white and black had it better while he was in prison

Their society did crumble after 1991 (I think thats the year). They went with the rest of the colonial African states, right down the crapper.

The blacks had it pretty bad before. After they just had the illusion they would have things better.

 

[IBlvNTmWrk]

The thread title is "did Obama order." (1) Forgive me for inferring from that title that OP was implying that this practice is unique to Obama. And that (2) there is a little backtracking now because it has been pointed out that Regan and Bush did it, too.

(3) I cannot for the life of me figure out where I went wrong on that.

So lets address points (1) and (3) first...

Following are all of the posts made, in order, prior to your post.

Flags lowered and attend the funeral of Margaret Thatcher?

Just a guess...no

and how many people did she help free compare to Nelson Mandela

Why did barry lower them for Nelson Mandela

is Nelson Mandela an America?

And then you responded with the following. So I can easily see how it might have been possible for you NOT to make the connection between Thatcher and Mandela. (insert your sarcasm sign here).

Reagan ordered flags at half mast for Anwar Sadat. George W. Bush ordered them at half mast for Pope John Paul II.

Oopsie.

In regards to point (2)... who is backtracking other than you?

Oopsie.

 

[lawgator1]

Wrong - you are trying to change the trajectory of the thread in order to make this look like a non issue when it's actually a very fair question.




The OP above....



Your effort to derail above. The purpose of the OP had nothing to do with comparing Obama to another president.

It had nothing to do with an American and non American. It mentioned two non Americans and asked why one and not the other.

Yes, that's why thread title is about Obama. And he didn't mention practice of Reagan or bush. Just Obama.

Come on. It's not about flags at half mast for foreign nationals. It's about OBAMA doing it for a black foreign national. Everyone knows that was and is the reason to point it out.

 

[DC_Vol]

Yes, that's why thread title is about Obama. And he didn't mention practice of Reagan or bush. Just Obama.

Come on. It's not about flags at half mast for foreign nationals. It's about OBAMA doing it for a black foreign national. Everyone knows that was and is the reason to point it out.

LG - Why are you always so hung up on race? If VolMav wanted to ask THAT question, he would have.

The thread title had Obama's name in it because he was the one who did it.

Let's make this easy. VolMav - please clarify your original post. What was the question....and more importantly, what was the question behind the question?

 

[lawgator1]

LG - Why are you always so hung up on race? If VolMav wanted to ask THAT question, he would have.

The thread title had Obama's name in it because he was the one who did it.

Let's make this easy. VolMav - please clarify your original post. What was the question....and more importantly, what was the question behind the question?

Your point ruined after I called him out on Reagan and Bush thwarts the whole thing.

 

[OJ]

Why not just come out with it and admit you are saying Obama did it for Mandela because he's black? Even though you have no evidence for that as his motivation, other that he is, in fact, black.

At least VM admits to his resentment that the black POTUS honored a black foreign national.

I called him a n word while watching Fox news this morning, but a second later I asked the Lord to forgive me.

 

[FLVOL_79]

Yes, that's why thread title is about Obama. And he didn't mention practice of Reagan or bush. Just Obama.

Come on. It's not about flags at half mast for foreign nationals. It's about OBAMA doing it for a black foreign national. Everyone knows that was and is the reason to point it out.

Doesn't make it any less dumb.

 

[Obsessed]

Doesn't make it any less dumb.

Glad your back from vacation.

With LG. It's always race. Even when it's not. It's his go to word. Especially after he was schooled in this thread many many times.

 

[Obsessed]

I called him a n word while watching Fox news this morning, but a second later I asked the Lord to forgive me.

I wish he was the "U" word

 

[FLVOL_79]

Glad your back from vacation.

With LG. It's always race. Even when it's not. It's his go to word. Especially after he was schooled in this thread many many times.

Luckily my "vacation" was aided with muscle relaxers and codeine..damn deadlifts got me.

 

[utvolpj]

I called him a n word while watching Fox news this morning, but a second later I asked the Lord to forgive me.

well I guess that makes racial slurs ok as long as you apologize to god :thumbsup: