"Half Season" Martin Pre February Record

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whobethis16 said:
Again, go apply for the job. My god, get down from your holier than thou high horse and pay attention. The PLAYERS shot less than 40% from the stripe. If they shoot 57%, they go to overtime. They shoot 63%, they win. The fact that Martin had them in position to win despite that speaks volumes of his coaching capabilities.
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Explain the first half. Why did this team come out flat? Coaching!
 
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whobethis16 said:
You're obviously a guru, so go to him and say you've got it. I'll give you $50 if you actually go face to face to Martin and say this garbage to it. Then I'll give him $50 for decking you.
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Comical response. He's paid to win games and 22-21 isn't good enough. If he can't handle warranted criticism he shouldn't be a high profile coach. I Am certain he understands that's part of the job. Perhaps you need to understand it as well
 
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BruinVol said:
The only way he can prove his worth to me is to go 14-6 before Febuary followed by a good finish. Anything less and he's done. If that's salt in the wound then so be it.
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If he loses an ounce of sleep over the loss of your approval, I'd be shocked.
 
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DocVOLiday said:
if we are a good team this year (too early to tell, even after that ugly game), we shouldn't have more than 5 losses (maybe even 4)

as of now we only play 4 ranked teams before Feb. We gotta start playing better on the road and with more sense of urgency all game. Offense needs some major work, and we will not win close games if we don't shoot FTs much better

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14-6 isn't even a tough measuring stick but neither has half seasons other schedules
 
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vols 30 said:
Good post,. This is the main reason why UT has played in the NIT. There was no sense of urgency until the 15 minute mark in the 2nd half. Lackluster first half, just like the NIT losses. That on the coaching staff
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There does seem to be a lack of care for the game by our players. They almost seem indifferent at times. CCM is such a low-energy kind of guy...I'm starting to wonder if maybe they feed off that.
 
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vols 30 said:
Explain the first half. Why did this team come out flat? Coaching!
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They had all sorts of great defense and open looks. Execution. They missed point blank layups time and time again. That's like an OC coordinator calling play after play where a receiver is wide open but he drops every pass. The coaching had them in position. They did not sit around wasting time and having to Jack up threes. The plays worked, but they missed everything.
 
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BruinVol said:
Comical response. He's paid to win games and 22-21 isn't good enough. If he can't handle warranted criticism he shouldn't be a high profile coach. I Am certain he understands that's part of the job. Perhaps you need to understand it as well
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And when you post garbage, it warrants criticism too.
 
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BruinVol said:
He better be worried about this team meeting expectations. You don't agree he's on the hot seat??
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No he's not on the hot seat. He just started his third season. If he misses the tourney this year, he'll be on the hot seat. You're putting the cart before the horse (per usual).

You're arbitrary 14-6 record threshold is silly.
 
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cncchris33 said:
No he's not on the hot seat. He just started his third season. If he misses the tourney this year, he'll be on the hot seat. You're putting the cart before the horse (per usual).

You're arbitrary 14-6 record threshold is silly.
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Just to clarify.

If he misses the tourney he is gone or on the hot seat next year??
 
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cncchris33 said:
No he's not on the hot seat. He just started his third season. If he misses the tourney this year, he'll be on the hot seat. You're putting the cart before the horse (per usual).

You're arbitrary 14-6 record threshold is silly.
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If the Vols miss the AA tourney this year, CCM should be fired!!!!
 
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BruinVol said:
Just to clarify.

If he misses the tourney he is gone or on the hot seat next year??
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I'd be surprised if he were fired simply from a financial standpoint at this point in time with our athletic department fiscal situation.

That said, barring some crazy circumstances, if he were to miss the tourney, I would agree he should be fired. I'm just not sure it would happen, though I'm not making those calls.
 
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cncchris33 said:
No he's not on the hot seat. He just started his third season. If he misses the tourney this year, he'll be on the hot seat. You're putting the cart before the horse (per usual).

You're arbitrary 14-6 record threshold is silly.
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Unless there's a rash of injuries, missing the tourney this year should tell us all we need to know. If that happens, what turnaround could you possibly expect in Year 4? If we miss the NCAAs this year, we'll never make them with CCM.

That said, I'm rooting for him. I hope it all works out.
 
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We're (kind of) projecting the season outcome based on one ugly game. If this happens again (and there's a good chance it will based on previous seasons), then we might be in trouble.

But we have talent and our schedule isn't all that tough. Just got to get better offensively, make some damn FTs, and cut out the mistakes on D giving up easy baskets. i think we'll be ok (this was Maymons first game back and you could tell, and stokes got in foul trouble early). Barton looks good, and we know mcrae is a baller, but he needs the ball more. Rich
 
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BruinVol said:
There isn't one damn thing wrong with criticizing a coach for going 22-21 with the talent he has had against a very weak schedule.

You think 22-21 is doing a good job???
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No. However, I also know that in year one, he had a depleted roster that was learning a brand new system, in year two he lost a key component to his roster and took some time to adjust (maybe a little too long, but still a big issue to overcome) and lost by 4 to a good team when his players missed point blank shots and couldn't hit free throws if someone paid them. **** happens. Get over it.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I'd be surprised if he were fired simply from a financial standpoint at this point in time with our athletic department fiscal situation.

That said, barring some crazy circumstances, if he were to miss the tourney, I would agree he should be fired. I'm just not sure it would happen, though I'm not making those calls.
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Thanks. I don't disagree

Anything less than 14-6 is going to put us the same shape we have been in half seasons first 2 years. Going on a hot streak would only put us on the bubble. So the 14-6 benchmark seems very important to be met IMO
 
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cncchris33 said:
I'd be surprised if he were fired simply from a financial standpoint at this point in time with our athletic department fiscal situation.

That said, barring some crazy circumstances, if he were to miss the tourney, I would agree he should be fired. I'm just not sure it would happen, though I'm not making those calls.
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CCM will be too easy to recruit against if we miss the tourney again.
 
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IMO this team is way too talented not to get to 14-6 heading into February. The trip in a few weeks is huge.

Hopefully tonight is a wake up call for the kids. I know it has woken me up and I have drawn my line in the sand for continuing to support Half season.
 
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vols 30 said:
Good post,. This is the main reason why UT has played in the NIT. There was no sense of urgency until the 15 minute mark in the 2nd half. Lackluster first half, just like the NIT losses. That on the coaching staff
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We did not play with urgency until 2 minutes left in the game.
 
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whobethis16 said:
No. However, I also know that in year one, he had a depleted roster that was learning a brand new system, in year two he lost a key component to his roster and took some time to adjust (maybe a little too long, but still a big issue to overcome) and lost by 4 to a good team when his players missed point blank shots and couldn't hit free throws if someone paid them. **** happens. Get over it.
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new system??

offense or defense???

both CBP and CC?m run a motion offense - so I guess you will say different defense scheme.
 
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