The Bizzaro World of the BCS, the Gators, and UT

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lawgator1 said:
There are some similarities, but overall I think Tebow is a much better athlete than PM. Remaines to be seen how he will develop with more experience but I think given his talent he could equal or exceed all of PM's accomplishments.
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quite possibly the most idiotic post of all idiotic posts...
 
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lawgator1 said:
I was disappointed that we lost, having played them so tough. But I didn't think that Florida was living on borrowed time. Until the fumble at midfield early in the 4th quarter, when we had a ten point lead, I felt that Florida was in control of the game since, every time that LSU scored, Florida answered.

By the way, I hear that during the game the LSU crowd was chanting "F U Tebow" over and over. Real classy. They hate him because he's such a terrific player, pure and simple. At least most of the people on here -- even those who had been predicting that UT's defensive players would put a hurting on him -- came on after the game and gave the man his due.

I am really starting to hate LSU and Auburn.
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One thing that really impressed me about Tebow Saturday night, that I had not noticed as much previously (probably because we hadn't seen him pressured as much previously) is his scrambling ability. If you're gonna sack him, you pretty much have to do it in the pocket, and you better bring more than one guy to get it done. If he gets outside the pocket, he's a lot quicker accelerating from standstill that I realized. Outside the pocket, you basically ain't gonna sack him.
 
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But, pound for pound, Jacob Hester impressed me more than Tebow in this game by quite a bit.
 
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Jaytrain5 said:
LG. You're kidding yourself.

Tebow is a tremendous athlete and a great competitor. He's a far cry from an NFL-ready quarterback though. He'd be more suited to play full-back in the NFL right now than play quarterback.

To suggest that he'll exceed Peyton Manning's accomplishments is just silly.
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College performance-wise, there is only one thing similar between them at the moment: They can't win the big ones.
 
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Teebow is a good college qb. I would say he might get cut from a nfl roster right now. Unless he is willing to switch to fullback.
 
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i can't resist posting in a thread started by LG, two days after his beloved gators dropped thier second game in a row.

FL is good. real good. the defense, though young, is plenty talented. the offense is, well, good but then there's this "yeah but......." concerning FL's offense.

it's hard for me to critisize considering the outcome of the FL/TN game, but in the last two games watching FL, what got me was there is too much going on in the backfeild and not enough going on downfeild. the tebow running thing obviously works, but it seems that there gets a point in the game where that's all that's being done, and i'm not sure why. the defenses will figure it out, they have the past two weeks, and if nothing else, LSU did learn one lesson.......keep tebow and co. on the bench, and they can't hurt you.

anyway, LG, as it turns out, today, TN and SC are leading the East. ain't life grand!!

and as to why people hate tebow....it's the taunting. i don't mind anyone getting up and fist pumping with his team mates etc...but when you get up, and taunt the crowd etc....you bring it on yourself with the "F U Tebow" stuff. Maybe that had something to do with why he was crying after the game.

I guess teams do take the personality of their coaches afterall.:eek:lol:
 
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Yes, the tebow hop skipping jumping jack celebration after each first down is one of the key sources of my annoyance with him. That and the announcers knob slobbing him incessantly.

And Tebow will NEVER be the NFL QB that Peyton Manning is. He might back a good fullback or clip board holder though...?
 
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lawgator1 said:
If he declared this year, where do you think he'd go in the draft? As bad as the NFL QBs are these days, I'd think he'd go first.

He won't, though. He's going to finish all four years.
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Tebow has 2 1/2 years left to play football, at least at QB.....he will never be an NFL quarterback......he throws it to wide open receivers and does amazing shuttle passes......other then that, he better be drafted as a Mike Alstott.....he can run over you, but that won't fly in the NFL as a QB!! Let Bob Sanders or Jevon Kearse hit a time or 2......Superman will turn into Sponge TeBob!!
 
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lawgator1 said:
I was disappointed that we lost, having played them so tough. But I didn't think that Florida was living on borrowed time. Until the fumble at midfield early in the 4th quarter, when we had a ten point lead, I felt that Florida was in control of the game since, every time that LSU scored, Florida answered.

By the way, I hear that during the game the LSU crowd was chanting "F U Tebow" over and over. Real classy. They hate him because he's such a terrific player, pure and simple. At least most of the people on here -- even those who had been predicting that UT's defensive players would put a hurting on him -- came on after the game and gave the man his due.

I am really starting to hate LSU and Auburn.
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Did you cry like Tebow?
 
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VOLinthaATL said:
quite possibly the most idiotic post of all idiotic posts...
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Well, the cheap shot aside, why do you say that? I'm not saying that Tebow is the equal of PM now. I'm saying that with experience why can't he be that successful? Do you not think he has the talent for it? He can run and he can throw the ball a mile. He's a relentless competitor. Again, I'm talking potential.

SWIL said:
College performance-wise, there is only one thing similar between them at the moment: They can't win the big ones.
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Tebow has already won one national championship. And don't kid yourself, he played a huge role in that game and several others that were critical to UF all season long last year.

TheVol said:
Did you cry like Tebow?
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No. I did not have nearly what he had invested in it. Like I say, it was disappointing but LSU gets credit for outplaying the Gators by the slimmest of margins.

Tell you what, though, had we been blown out by, say, a score of 59-20, then I'd probably have shed a tear or two.
 
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who really cares if Tebow is going to be half the NFL qb Peyton is? Did Peyton get UT a championship by being a good NFL quarterback?
 
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lawgator1 said:
I just wanted to help the guy sort of keep things in perspective.
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the only perspective i'm concerned with as of today is FL being in the rear view as it relates to the SEC E.

how long they stay there you ask? dunno. but as long as we do what we're supposed to do, that's where they will remain.
 
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volfanbill said:
who really cares if Tebow is going to be half the NFL qb Peyton is? Did Peyton get UT a championship by being a good NFL quarterback?
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Volfanbill, that argument has been made many times here by me and by others but you just have to accept the fact that many people think that PM's pro success trickles down to UT. I don't doubt but that his experience at UT helped him to be a better pro QB, but like you I value the success in college at a ratio of roughly 1,000 to 1 over the success they have once they take off my alma mater's uniform.


jakez4ut said:
the only perspective i'm concerned with as of today is FL being in the rear view as it relates to the SEC E.

how long they stay there you ask? dunno. but as long as we do what we're supposed to do, that's where they will remain.
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Therein lines the rub.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Volfanbill, that argument has been made many times here by me and by others but you just have to accept the fact that many people think that PM's pro success trickles down to UT. I don't doubt but that his experience at UT helped him to be a better pro QB, but like you I value the success in college at a ratio of roughly 1,000 to 1 over the success they have once they take off my alma mater's uniform.
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Yeah, I've made the argument before many times as well. I don't even think I value the ratio at 1,000 to 1. I could just flat out care less what they do in the NFL unless they are playing for the Redskins.... Heath Shuler, Jeff Hall this means you.
 
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volfanbill said:
Yeah, I've made the argument before many times as well. I don't even think I value the ratio at 1,000 to 1. I could just flat out care less what they do in the NFL unless they are playing for the Redskins.... Heath Shuler, Jeff Hall this means you.
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:mad:
 
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sorry OWB, Vader, xtennesseex and any other Redskins fans for bringing up those memories.
 
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lawgator1 said:
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Therein lines the rub.
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that's why i posted it. definitely not a guarantee. but the door is now open and we have one foot inside and so does SC. We're blocking FL out right now, and we can control that now, despite 59-20.
 
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lawgator1 said:
BIZZARO WORLD:

The season is not quite half over and its already one of the strangest I can ever remember. A top five Michigan team loses to Appalachian State. Seemingly invincible USC gets beat, at home, by a totally outmanned Stanford team. USF is looking at a BCS bowl, a top five ranking, and a realistic shot to play for a national title. The only two things that seem to be true to form are LSU sitting atop the rankings and Ohio State once again getting way too much credit (don't worry, they'll get theirs).

And we still have the bulk of the season to go. Anyone want to take bets on Hawaii versus South Florida in the national championship game? How about (more likely) LSU versus Cal?


THE GATORS:

I am very proud of the Gators for hanging tough with LSU Saturday. They did everything they could except win the game. I know people on here don't like to here any pro-Tebow talk, but anyone reasonably objective sees that kid as the real deal. He nearly singlehandedly saved the Gators against Auburn and almost beat LSU at LSU. Almost. He is afraid of nothing and is a sure-fire top Heisman candidate next year.

I think we will win the rest of our SEC games this year and in fact I don't see us losing again through the regular season. Thankfully, after that bone-jarring hitting contest last Saturday, we have a much needed week off. Ironically, we need some help to overtake you in the loss column, which leads me to ....

UT:

You control your own destiny, but I think the game you are most likely to lose is at Alabama. Even at Kentucky could be difficult. Seems that this year you guys play much better at home. But on the road you have struggled and I think that will continue.

In the end, I think it will be either Florida or South Carolina getting the nod from the SECE. I'd love to have another shot at derailing LSU's title hopes and it seems that Florida may be the only team out there with the athletes to be competitive with them. I'd give UT about a 25 % chance to win the SECE from here, but only a 5% chance to beat LSU.
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At least you could say congratulations to us on the Vols victory.By the way, if UT runs the table and wins the SECE and plays LSU, that would mean we go undefeated the rest of the year and that also means we would still be playing close to how we played Saturday.That said,I give us a 50% chance of defeating LSU in the SEC Championship game.Wouldn't it be funny if Tennessee and Michigan won their conference titles as bad as they have played this year.
 
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utfantilidie said:
At least you could say congratulations to us on the Vols victory.By the way, if UT runs the table and wins the SECE and plays LSU, that would mean we go undefeated the rest of the year and that also means we would still be playing close to how we played Saturday.That said,I give us a 50% chance of defeating LSU in the SEC Championship game.Wouldn't it be funny if Tennessee and Michigan won their conference titles as bad as they have played this year.
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well i know two people that would be laughing.......:blink:
 
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utfantilidie said:
At least you could say congratulations to us on the Vols victory.By the way, if UT runs the table and wins the SECE and plays LSU, that would mean we go undefeated the rest of the year and that also means we would still be playing close to how we played Saturday.That said,I give us a 50% chance of defeating LSU in the SEC Championship game.Wouldn't it be funny if Tennessee and Michigan won their conference titles as bad as they have played this year.
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You are right I do need to congratulate UT for their victory over UGA. I was particularly impressed with the RB making the TD pass. You totally caught them flat-footed on that one and it was nice to see some imaginative play-calling.

You think UT would have a 50-50 shot in a game against LSU? We are not watching the same games, then, my friend.
 
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lawgator1 said:
If he declared this year, where do you think he'd go in the draft? As bad as the NFL QBs are these days, I'd think he'd go first.
He won't, though. He's going to finish all four years.
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I thought you were smarter than this.

lawgator1 said:
He's got infinite potential, though, don't you think?
There are some similarities, but overall I think Tebow is a much better athlete than PM. Remaines to be seen how he will develop with more experience but I think given his talent he could equal or exceed all of PM's accomplishments.
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He's got an awkward throwing motion. LSU's DL batted down several of his pass attempts. He's also not going to run over NFL linebackers.
He is nowhere near ready to play on Sundays.

Urban's offense is like Tedford's, the QBs might put up gaudy numbers in college but it doesn't translate to the NFL. See Alex Smith or Omar Jacobs.
 
#74
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i think that response is based totally on the team that showed up Saturday. do i agree, no. but the team that showed up Saturday would have a 50/50 shot at it...if only for the reason that there would be only two possible outcomes of the game.
 
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jakez4ut said:
i think that response is based totally on the team that showed up Saturday. do i agree, no. but the team that showed up Saturday would have a 50/50 shot at it...if only for the reason that there would be only two possible outcomes of the game.
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And in that sense I have a 50-50 shot at winning the lottery because I either will or I won't.

Come on guys, you beat a mediocre UGA team at home with Fulmer's job totally on the line. Its a great win and puts you in control of your own fate, but let's not get carried away and treat it like a switch has suddenly been turned on and UT is BCS-bound. It doesn't work that way and you know it.
 
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