ACLU says prayer at high school football is unconstitutional

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ACLU says prayer at high school football games is unconstitutional

"The Tennessee ACLU issued a statement Friday to all superintendents, urging any who allow prayer before a football game to stop because it's a violation of rights."

This kind of crap and along with telling people that they shouldn't say "Merry Christmas" to others during the holidays is exactly what this country doesn't need.

If you don't like it GTFO!
 
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Its actually not a violation of rights

Separation of Church and State only states that government cannot dictate a particular religion. Prayer is not related to a particular religion. All religions pray.

Democracy is based on the will of the majority. If the majority wants prayer, then the minority is SOL. The liberals don't like majority rule unless it fits their agenda. Conservatives like this when it fits them

A republic, like the U.S. is suppose to be is based on the rights of an individual. This means that a majority can't force their believes on individuals. Conservative love or hate this in the same breath. Liberals mainly hate it.

I'm of the opinion that it doesn't bother me if they do. If I don't want to pray, I don't have an obligation too. I see nothing wrong with a harmless prayer. I think if you make a deal about it, you're just trying to find something to be offended about.
 
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CountVolcula said:
Its actually not a violation of rights

Separation of Church and State only states that government cannot dictate a particular religion. Prayer is not related to a particular religion. All religions pray.

Democracy is based on the will of the majority. If the majority wants prayer, then the minority is SOL. The liberals don't like majority rule unless it fits their agenda. Conservatives like this when it fits them

A republic, like the U.S. is suppose to be is based on the rights of an individual. This means that a majority can't force their believes on individuals. Conservative love or hate this in the same breath. Liberals mainly hate it.

I'm of the opinion that it doesn't bother me if they do. If I don't want to pray, I don't have an obligation too. I see nothing wrong with a harmless prayer. I think if you make a deal about it, you're just trying to find something to be offended about.
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Agreed, but if the coaches (government employed) said a Christian prayer with Muslims present and not a Muslim prayer also then things get sketchy. They also must let students that don't want to participate do whatever they want.

When I played we all had to participate. It was stupid, I just wanted to hit some people.
 
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VOLatile said:
Agreed, but if the coaches (government employed) said a Christian prayer with Muslims present and not a Muslim prayer also then things get sketchy. They also must let students that don't want to participate do whatever they want.

When I played we all had to participate. It was stupid, I just wanted to hit some people.
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Allow him the option to not pray but don't force everyone else to stop praying.
 
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I'm not religious at and find prayer really silly. With that said any time one is said in my presence I just quietly wait it out. As hard as it is to believe I've survived every one.
 
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Cdywolfe said:
I'm not religious at and find prayer really silly. With that said any time one is said in my presence I just quietly wait it out. As hard as it is to believe I've survived every one.
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I do the same thing. In person, I'm pretty respectful of peoples's religions. I even go out of my way to avoid talking about it. However, I like to play devil's advocate online -- especially on VN where there's an overwhelming majority of white Christians.
 
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VOLatile said:
I do the same thing. In person, I'm pretty respectful of peoples's religions. I even go out of my way to avoid talking about it. However, I like to play devil's advocate online -- especially on VN where there's an overwhelming majority of white Christians.
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Racist IMO.
 
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Cdywolfe said:
I'm not religious at and find prayer really silly. With that said any time one is said in my presence I just quietly wait it out. As hard as it is to believe I've survived every one.
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:lolabove:

VOLatile said:
I do the same thing. In person, I'm pretty respectful of peoples's religions. I even go out of my way to avoid talking about it. However, I like to play devil's advocate online -- especially on VN where there's an overwhelming majority of white Christians.
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You mean like if I told you to switch to a religion that doesn't require you to carry around a Dupont carpet sample with you everywhere then you'll welcome it rather than be offended?
 
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I have never understood people's rabid obsession with incorporating prayer/religion whenever they can with public education (including prayer at public school sporting events). It is totally unnecessary, serves no objective purpose, and only causes problems.

Those clamoring for it should ask if you would be ok with a call for Muslim prayer, Scientology prayer, etc.
 
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coug said:
You can't say one in your head all by yourself?
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Exactly. Anyone can pray to anyone they want, whenever they want, for whatever reason they want. One does not need to be lead in prayer at a public school event; it's unnecessary.
 
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Prayer at sporting events is silly.

Complaining about prayer at sporting events is stupid, a waste of time, and for the underachieving losers that crowd the innards of Starbucks.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
I have never understood people's rabid obsession with incorporating prayer/religion whenever they can with public education (including prayer at public school sporting events). It is totally unnecessary, serves no objective purpose, and only causes problems.

Those clamoring for it should ask if you would be ok with a call for Muslim prayer, Scientology prayer, etc.
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Your bolded statement above could also apply to the sporting events themselves... totally unnecessary, serve no objective purpose, only cause problems (e.g. fights, injuries, concussions, etc.).

I agree with some others who have already posted. The prayers I've typically heard at sporting events are not calling anyone to become believers, or necessarily accept anyone religion over another. Rather, if you take out the words "Father, God, Lord" or whatever reference may be made, then usually what you have left is a group of people "wishing" for an injury-free game, good sportsmanship, etc. Can't say I really see what the big deal is.
 
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IBlvNTmWrk said:
Your bolded statement above could also apply to the sporting events themselves... totally unnecessary, serve no objective purpose, only cause problems (e.g. fights, injuries, concussions, etc.).
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In relation to public academic schools, sure.

IBlvNTmWrk said:
I agree with some others who have already posted. The prayers I've typically heard at sporting events are not calling anyone to become believers, or necessarily accept anyone religion over another. Rather, if you take out the words "Father, God, Lord" or whatever reference may be made, then usually what you have left is a group of people "wishing" for an injury-free game, good sportsmanship, etc. Can't say I really see what the big deal is.
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I have certainly sat through ones that talk about/refer to the tenets of Christianity; i.e. the Trinity, Heaven, accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, etc.

Wishing, in the absence of religion, for a injury-game is fine. I think it is possibly more pointless as it has absolutely no bearing on whether a player will get injured. At least with prayer, one can argue that such an act might keep a player safe.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
In relation to public academic schools, sure.



I have certainly sat through ones that talk about/refer to the tenets of Christianity; i.e. the Trinity, Heaven, accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, etc.

Wishing, in the absence of religion, for a injury-game is fine. I think it is possibly more pointless as it has absolutely no barring on whether a player will get injured. At least with prayer, one can argue that such an act might keep a player safe.
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And you would find that offensive that someone might pray for the safety of others?
 
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IBlvNTmWrk said:
And you would find that offensive that someone might pray for the safety of others?
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Offensive? No. Then again, I am not sure I am "offended" by anything (given the typical definition).

I think if one thinks such an act will make a difference, they should pray to themselves. Much like Christians (some in my family and ones I see in public) who privately say grace before a meal (thanking and hopefully ensure more food in the future for everybody).
 
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