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jjay2518 said:
I think this is probably right. I saw a recent quote from CBJ where he said he wasn't telling Worley to give on all those read options. He's just been deciding that on his own. There were a few times where he had an easy 5-10 yards if he'd kept but instead the run went for no gain. IMO he's playing scared and doesn't want to be the one making plays.
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I'd say a hell of a lot more than a few. I've said it for a while. He's so non-believable for the option at this point he could look like a super hero if he actually kept one.
 
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DD4ME said:
If we crack 100+ yards rushing in this game, and assuming it isn't because of some garbage time in a blowout I would consider that a huge victory.
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Only huge victory in this game is victory itself. We can run the ball. Getting 100 vs Florida should be a given, just because we can't pass the darn thing
 
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DD4ME said:
I'd say a hell of a lot more than a few. I've said it for a while. He's so non-believable for the option at this point he could look like a super hero if he actually kept one.
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i was just surprised that was his decision. I assumed the coaches were telling him not to keep it for whatever reason. Doesn't bode well for his confidence if he's doing that on his own.

And I was trying to be nice about how often it happens haha.
 
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jordan4vols said:
The reason I hope Ferg wins it eventually or has the ability to win it is based on a similarity to that Clausen mentality. I met Casey because I was at UT at that time and graduated in 03. Casey Clausen could have been the most arrogant full of himself d bag I have ever met, but on the football field that is what made him great. He loved the opportunity and being in the spotlight. He didn't back down from it. I see Worley as a guy that backs down from that competition. jmo
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Agreed. Most great players think pretty highly of themselves. Bray had too much of that but the amount he had is what made him great at times in pushing the absolute limits of the envelope. It's a balance and I think Worley has too little of it.
 
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jjay2518 said:
i was just surprised that was his decision. I assumed the coaches were telling him not to keep it for whatever reason. Doesn't bode well for his confidence if he's doing that on his own.

And I was trying to be nice about how often it happens haha.
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Me too. I hadn't read that until you posted it.
 
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Getting 100 rushing yards against Florida should be a given? Have you watched this series the past 8 years? We have been lucky a couple of times to not have negative rushing yards.
 
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nicksjuzunk said:
Only huge victory in this game is victory itself. We can run the ball. Getting 100 vs Florida should be a given, just because we can't pass the darn thing
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The huge victory part is debatable for sure but running on this defense is difficult when balanced. It will be an uphill struggle with as unbalanced as we are.
 
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govols24 said:
Getting 100 rushing yards against Florida should be a given? Have you watched this series the past 8 years? We have been lucky a couple of times to not have negative rushing yards.
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This. They've been very stingy this year already against some good backs.
 
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govols24 said:
Getting 100 rushing yards against Florida should be a given? Have you watched this series the past 8 years? We have been lucky a couple of times to not have negative rushing yards.
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My dude,

Have you seen our line or offense the last 8 years? Not exactly beastly, or run oriented.

So, you think we run for less than 100? What are we passing for?? Are you seriously gonna say we are going to have about 150 yards of total offense? We will probably run the ball 40 times

I'll sit back and listen.
 
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nicksjuzunk said:
My dude,

Have you seen our line or offense the last 8 years? Not exactly beastly, or run oriented.

So, you think we run for less than 100? What are we passing for?? Are you seriously gonna say we are going to have about 150 yards of total offense? We will probably run the ball 40 times

I'll sit back and listen.
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Did you see there game against Miami with a RB that is way better than anything we have on the roster and a QB that didn't do much better than what we've got completing less than half of his passes for 162 yards.
 
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I'm saying that if there is no threat of an intermediate or deep passing game, they will put nine or ten guys in the box every play and we will be lucky to sniff the endzone. This is just a judgment from what I saw against Oregon.
 
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nicksjuzunk said:
My dude,

Have you seen our line or offense the last 8 years? Not exactly beastly, or run oriented.

So, you think we run for less than 100? What are we passing for?? Are you seriously gonna say we are going to have about 150 yards of total offense? We will probably run the ball 40 times

I'll sit back and listen.
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If things go bad you'll see a lot of rushing plays blown up in the backfield. Remove the negative yard plays and we might be at 100. Include the negative yard plays and I'd expect maybe 75-85 tops, which would still be high for us historically against them. I believe someone quoted that our average yards rushing was like 50. I agree rushing is more of a strength so I am tossing them a 50% increase. I believe they also posted our high watermark in the last decade was something like 120 yards rushing.
 
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I'll say this again. If we are north of 100 yards rushing against this team put that in your pocket as a positive for all the other SEC games we will play. This FL D is probably the best at Run D of any other we will see this year. I'd even toss Bama into that argument at this point.
 
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DD4ME said:
Me too. I hadn't read that until you posted it.
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Per Hubbs via Swanson...

Ron Swanson said:
No doubt about it. The QB keeping it on the read option once in awhile, and gaining a few yards, will make UF play much differently on defense. Hubbs has said a couple times that Butch didn't tell Worley to not keep it but that Worley had just elected not to run with it the last couple games.
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nicksjuzunk said:
My dude,

Have you seen our line or offense the last 8 years? Not exactly beastly, or run oriented.

So, you think we run for less than 100? What are we passing for?? Are you seriously gonna say we are going to have about 150 yards of total offense? We will probably run the ball 40 times

I'll sit back and listen.
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Florida's defense is stout. Would not be surprised if UT didn't crack 100. That defense is going to force this team to pass.
 
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The only plus to our offensive struggles is this. FL will more than likely come in completely over looking our passing game. If we have even moderately improved WR and QB play we could burn them in situations where they are over focused on the tun. Those gators have faced JH, CP, DR and this year they are watching tape of us throwing it into the dirt and dropping passes. Their guard will be down on the passing game because it's human nature.
 
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The slot injuries have hurt tremendously. Here's to hoping Pig is as close to 100% as possible. I kind of think we might need to find some kind of passing game to open up the run.
 
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Here is post I had from another thread, detailing what I think the keys are for the game. Keep in mind, we rushed for 176 against Oregon, on 38 attempts. We had 38 attempts, with atrocious offensive play. I can see us rushing for another 38 attempts, having a rough time, at say, 3.2 YPC, and that still = 121.6. JMO. Anyways, my previous post, since it is relevant to this conversation...

The Vols return from the land of the Ducks to the not so friendly confines of Florida Field. Oregon gave Tennessee the worst beating in 100 years, in a game where it seem very little went right after the first offensive series. Butch will hope the team is able to learn from their mistakes, and quickly put them behind them as the men in Orange open SEC play.

Florida and Alabama sit alone on top of the mountain of who Vol fans would most like to beat each year, though many will argue which team comes first, few will dispute these are "the big 2". Sorry UGA, you are a close 3rd. Beat one of them, and it can be considered "a good year". Beat both, and Vol fans wear silly grins for an entire year, and the birth rate goes up in a slight, but measurable way in Big Orange Country.

Florida sits at 1-1, after giving the game to Miami with an orange and green bow on top. Although many predicted this game would be a Miami upset, and were correct, it was not because Miami outplayed the Gators. Take a look at these stats:


FLA MIA
1st Downs 22 10
Total Yards 413 212
Passing 291 162
Rushing 122 50
3rd Down Con 6-15 1-11
Turnovers 5 1
Possession 38:20 21:40

It's not like the Hurricanes dominated the game. You would be hard pressed to find another team who has won a game this season, only converting 1 3rd down in the entire game. Turnovers absolutely killed the Gators, and it is not a series of blunders they are likely to repeat.

Keys to the game:

1. Quarterback Roulette: Round and round and round it goes. Who will start? Nobody knows. Though starting quarterback has not been careless with the football (1 int, 1 sack), he has simply not made plays. Even big plays should have been bigger plays, if he would have hit the receiver in stride. Unfortunately, it doesn't appear that he is going to improve, with a weak arm and timid pocket presence being his biggest issues, and Butch has seen enough to declare the QB position open for the taking this week. It's too bad for Worley, who by all accounts works hard and is a high character guy (high motor, gamer, deceptive speed... for those keeping score at home), but he just isn't getting it done.

Back-up Nathan Peterson seems to have a bit more of an arm, but from what fans have seen from him in mop-up duty, and in the O&W game, he just doesn't seem to be "the future." True freshmen Dobbs and Ferguson will get a fair shake, and don't be surprised if Butch does not announce a starter until game time, and more than one QB gets playing time. I have a feeling Butch doesn't give a rat's behind about red-shirts.

If the Vols cannot get more production from the QB position, Florida's nasty defensive backs are going to lock down our WR's, ala Oregon, and the defensive front 7 are going to key on the run like Muschamp in a staring contest.

2. Drag down Driskel: Jeff Driskel is not a great quarterback, but he is juuuuussst good enough to win most of the time. He is prone to be sacked (36 in 2012, 4 in 2013), but the TN defensive front, who has members dropping like flies, has to get pressure... something they have not done in years. If they get pressure, Driskel has been known to cough it up. If they don't, his 70.9% completion rate will eat us alive.

3. Paging all WR's...: The Vols had a rough time against Oregon's defensive backs. And when they got open, they had too many drops. It's game 4, and we are still waiting for someone to step up and say, "I'm the best motherlovin' WR on this dam team. I'm making every catch, and if any of you other jokers want catches, you're gonna have to take them from me." Someone needs to display the skill and swagger to lead this group, and give the QB a target he can throw to in confidence. The return of Pig and JJ will help this week.

Right now, the WR's are playing to the level of the 2008 Lucas Taylor, Gerald Jones, Denarius Moore group who led the Vols with a not so mind blowing combination of 67 catches for 926 yards. If we have a new starter, they may take more chances with the football, and if the WR's are not any more open than they have been, there will be interceptions.

4. 3rd Down, and sit down: Two things that will cause you to lose sleep tonight:
a. Florida has allowed 2-24 3rd down conversion attempts to go for first downs.
b. TN converted only 5-15 against Oregon.

Interestingly enough, Florida and Tennessee have the same % of 3rd down conversions this year (44%). The team that has the higher % in this game will have a decided advantage.

5. Give and Take: As I mentioned previously, Florida does have a tendency to give the ball away. They rank 118th in the nation in turnover margin (losing 6, taking 2). TN is tied for 4th (losing 2, taking 8). The Vols need to "play for, and make the breaks" if they are going to upend the Gators.

6. Run for your lives: Florida's defense does not like to give up yards on the ground (3rd in rushing defense). They have pounded their opponents, leaving a staunch 50 yards per game worth of scraps to be found. Miami stud Duke Johnson got a whopping 59 yards (2.8 per carry), after torching Florida Atlantic for 186.

Tennessee is currently rushing for 244 per game, so something's gotta give. The old stat that we hear every year, and I'm not sure how current it is, but there is definitely a trend, "Whoever rushes for more yards in the TN FL game, has won the game ___ of the last ___ seasons." Florida is only rushing for 192, but TN's defense is allowing 105 more yards per game on the ground than Florida, so it's hard to see which way this one will go. With TN thin at DT, it may not go well.

7. Tale of the tape: Each coaching staff has seen the tape of how to beat the other team this season. The questions are:
a. Do either team have the horses to implement those same schemes?
b. Which team has done a better job adjusting from their loss?

Prediction: Tennessee's QB situation is completely unpredictable. Is Peterman capable of being like Rick Clausen, who in spite of physical limitations, still played good enough to get the job done? Will Dobbs or Ferguson step in as Freshmen sensations like Tyler Bray? Is Worley still running the show? Who the heck knows?

I think ultimately, Florida's defense is too strong for the Vols, who still have not found an offensive rhythm, and the TN defense is too banged up and slow to contain the gators. I hate to say it, but...

TN 14
FL 34

Let the debate
 
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WriterVol said:
The slot injuries have hurt tremendously. Here's to hoping Pig is as close to 100% as possible. I kind of think we might need to find some kind of passing game to open up the run.
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Absolutley that's why someone mentioning Lane running and Neal in the slot is actually a great idea. It's pretty sad that Dooley and Chaney thought of it when they needed receiver options but Bajakian hasn't.
 
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Sounds like it's Peterman time.
 
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nicksjuzunk said:
Here is post I had from another thread, detailing what I think the keys are for the game. Keep in mind, we rushed for 176 against Oregon, on 38 attempts. We had 38 attempts, with atrocious offensive play. I can see us rushing for another 38 attempts, having a rough time, at say, 3.2 YPC, and that still = 121.6. JMO. Anyways, my previous post, since it is relevant to this conversation...

The Vols return from the land of the Ducks to the not so friendly confines of Florida Field. Oregon gave Tennessee the worst beating in 100 years, in a game where it seem very little went right after the first offensive series. Butch will hope the team is able to learn from their mistakes, and quickly put them behind them as the men in Orange open SEC play.

Florida and Alabama sit alone on top of the mountain of who Vol fans would most like to beat each year, though many will argue which team comes first, few will dispute these are "the big 2". Sorry UGA, you are a close 3rd. Beat one of them, and it can be considered "a good year". Beat both, and Vol fans wear silly grins for an entire year, and the birth rate goes up in a slight, but measurable way in Big Orange Country.

Florida sits at 1-1, after giving the game to Miami with an orange and green bow on top. Although many predicted this game would be a Miami upset, and were correct, it was not because Miami outplayed the Gators. Take a look at these stats:


FLA MIA
1st Downs 22 10
Total Yards 413 212
Passing 291 162
Rushing 122 50
3rd Down Con 6-15 1-11
Turnovers 5 1
Possession 38:20 21:40

It's not like the Hurricanes dominated the game. You would be hard pressed to find another team who has won a game this season, only converting 1 3rd down in the entire game. Turnovers absolutely killed the Gators, and it is not a series of blunders they are likely to repeat.

Keys to the game:

1. Quarterback Roulette: Round and round and round it goes. Who will start? Nobody knows. Though starting quarterback has not been careless with the football (1 int, 1 sack), he has simply not made plays. Even big plays should have been bigger plays, if he would have hit the receiver in stride. Unfortunately, it doesn't appear that he is going to improve, with a weak arm and timid pocket presence being his biggest issues, and Butch has seen enough to declare the QB position open for the taking this week. It's too bad for Worley, who by all accounts works hard and is a high character guy (high motor, gamer, deceptive speed... for those keeping score at home), but he just isn't getting it done.

Back-up Nathan Peterson seems to have a bit more of an arm, but from what fans have seen from him in mop-up duty, and in the O&W game, he just doesn't seem to be "the future." True freshmen Dobbs and Ferguson will get a fair shake, and don't be surprised if Butch does not announce a starter until game time, and more than one QB gets playing time. I have a feeling Butch doesn't give a rat's behind about red-shirts.

If the Vols cannot get more production from the QB position, Florida's nasty defensive backs are going to lock down our WR's, ala Oregon, and the defensive front 7 are going to key on the run like Muschamp in a staring contest.

2. Drag down Driskel: Jeff Driskel is not a great quarterback, but he is juuuuussst good enough to win most of the time. He is prone to be sacked (36 in 2012, 4 in 2013), but the TN defensive front, who has members dropping like flies, has to get pressure... something they have not done in years. If they get pressure, Driskel has been known to cough it up. If they don't, his 70.9% completion rate will eat us alive.

3. Paging all WR's...: The Vols had a rough time against Oregon's defensive backs. And when they got open, they had too many drops. It's game 4, and we are still waiting for someone to step up and say, "I'm the best motherlovin' WR on this dam team. I'm making every catch, and if any of you other jokers want catches, you're gonna have to take them from me." Someone needs to display the skill and swagger to lead this group, and give the QB a target he can throw to in confidence. The return of Pig and JJ will help this week.

Right now, the WR's are playing to the level of the 2008 Lucas Taylor, Gerald Jones, Denarius Moore group who led the Vols with a not so mind blowing combination of 67 catches for 926 yards. If we have a new starter, they may take more chances with the football, and if the WR's are not any more open than they have been, there will be interceptions.

4. 3rd Down, and sit down: Two things that will cause you to lose sleep tonight:
a. Florida has allowed 2-24 3rd down conversion attempts to go for first downs.
b. TN converted only 5-15 against Oregon.

Interestingly enough, Florida and Tennessee have the same % of 3rd down conversions this year (44%). The team that has the higher % in this game will have a decided advantage.

5. Give and Take: As I mentioned previously, Florida does have a tendency to give the ball away. They rank 118th in the nation in turnover margin (losing 6, taking 2). TN is tied for 4th (losing 2, taking 8). The Vols need to "play for, and make the breaks" if they are going to upend the Gators.

6. Run for your lives: Florida's defense does not like to give up yards on the ground (3rd in rushing defense). They have pounded their opponents, leaving a staunch 50 yards per game worth of scraps to be found. Miami stud Duke Johnson got a whopping 59 yards (2.8 per carry), after torching Florida Atlantic for 186.

Tennessee is currently rushing for 244 per game, so something's gotta give. The old stat that we hear every year, and I'm not sure how current it is, but there is definitely a trend, "Whoever rushes for more yards in the TN FL game, has won the game ___ of the last ___ seasons." Florida is only rushing for 192, but TN's defense is allowing 105 more yards per game on the ground than Florida, so it's hard to see which way this one will go. With TN thin at DT, it may not go well.

7. Tale of the tape: Each coaching staff has seen the tape of how to beat the other team this season. The questions are:
a. Do either team have the horses to implement those same schemes?
b. Which team has done a better job adjusting from their loss?

Prediction: Tennessee's QB situation is completely unpredictable. Is Peterman capable of being like Rick Clausen, who in spite of physical limitations, still played good enough to get the job done? Will Dobbs or Ferguson step in as Freshmen sensations like Tyler Bray? Is Worley still running the show? Who the heck knows?

I think ultimately, Florida's defense is too strong for the Vols, who still have not found an offensive rhythm, and the TN defense is too banged up and slow to contain the gators. I hate to say it, but...

TN 14
FL 34

Let the debate
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I think you've got all the major points covered. You misspelled Peterman's name but that's irrelavant. I disagree with you about us getting 125+ and losing this game though. If we lose this game as described we'll get maybe 80 yards.
 
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