Carry Permit Holders

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hog88 said:
Just look to SC and the guy killed by board teenagers. I also travel a lot and sometimes into not so nice areas.
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What if those bored teenagers are standing behind you in a line and shoot you in the back? Or what if they take your gun and shoot you with it?
 
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Cecil Basil said:
I keep up with both, yes.
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Ok, the only reason I ask is often times people who share your opinion don't. I see on the local news almost nightly, at the very least weekly where someone was assaulted, robbed whatever and I wonder would that individual have been a victim if they were carrying a firearm.

I am an NRA member and when I get my monthly magazine the first thing I read is the Armed Citizen section. It is stories where every day citizens have defended themselves. Here's a link if you want to check out some of the stories.

NRA-ILA | Armed Citizen

That said, its not for everyone. If you don't feel comfortable carrying a firearm then don't. My wife falls in that category. I pray she never regrets it.
 
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Cecil Basil said:
Fair enough, but you didn't really answer the question.
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Ok, I don't always have a gun with me. If I know I'm going to have some drinks or going somewhere they are prohibited, I leave it at home.

I just believe that it's better to have and not need than to need and not have.
 
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Hopvol said:
Ok, the only reason I ask is often times people who share your opinion don't. I see on the local news almost nightly, at the very least weekly where someone was assaulted, robbed whatever and I wonder would that individual have been a victim if they were carrying a firearm.

I am an NRA member and when I get my monthly magazine the first thing I read is the Armed Citizen section. It is stories where every day citizens have defended themselves. Here's a link if you want to check out some of the stories.

NRA-ILA | Armed Citizen

That said, its not for everyone. If you don't feel comfortable carrying a firearm then don't. My wife falls in that category. I pray she never regrets it.
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So would it be unfair to say that a lot of people who carry, live in a constant state of fear and worry? I have experience with firearms and I'm not the least bit uncomfortable with them, I just don't feel the need to carry one all the time. Obviously, that's not for everyone either.

As for the NRA stuff, don't you think that in a way, that's propaganda?
 
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Cecil Basil said:
What if those bored teenagers are standing behind you in a line and shoot you in the back? Or what if they take your gun and shoot you with it?
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Always a possibility of getting ambushed without warning, not much can be done about that. They would not have taken it away from me and used it on me without an ambush to start with.
 
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hog88 said:
Ok, I don't always have a gun with me. If I know I'm going to have some drinks or going somewhere they are prohibited, I leave it at home.

I just believe that it's better to have and not need than to need and not have.
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That's fair, I can understand that.
 
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Cecil Basil said:
So would it be unfair to say that a lot of people who carry, live in a constant state of fear and worry? I have experience with firearms and I'm not the least bit uncomfortable with them, I just don't feel the need to carry one all the time. Obviously, that's not for everyone either.

As for the NRA stuff, don't you think that in a way, that's propaganda?
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Ive heard that question alot too. Its simply a precautionary measure. Do you have insurance out of fear? You have insurance on your home and car in case something happens and you need it. People spend alot of money on insurance and never need it. I carry a firearm for the same reason and I hope I never need it.

As far as the NRA and propaganda. Yes, there is some of that but the stories I mentioned are not. They are real. They printed one from East Nashville where an elderly lady defended herself that I saw on the news. The NRA is the only organization fighting for our gun rights and without them I don't think we would have many gun rights left.
 
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Hopvol said:
Ive heard that question alot too. Its simply a precautionary measure. Do you have insurance out of fear? You have insurance on your home and car in case something happens and you need it. People spend alot of money on insurance and never need it. I carry a firearm for the same reason and I hope I never need it.

As far as the NRA and propaganda. Yes, there is some of that but the stories I mentioned are not. They are real. They printed one from East Nashville where an elderly lady defended herself that I saw on the news. The NRA is the only organization fighting for our gun rights and without them I don't think we would have many gun rights left.
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I do have insurance out of fear, but that's a fear of not having enough money to cover something and it doesn't potentially put my life or someone elses life in danger by having it.

I have no doubt that carrying a gun has saved a few lives. At the same time, for every feel good story you show me, I can show you a tragic one where someone died accidentally because of a gun.
 
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Yankee_Vol said:
The world is a crazy place. I'm watching out for my family.
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I can understand that. I'm not against owning or carrying, to each their own. I just don't understand the psychology of worrying about dangerous people or things hurting your family, yet you own those dangerous things that could hurt them. Don't you worry about gun accidents? Someone breaking in, finding your gun and using it on you and your family (never say never)? I mean, it goes both ways right?
 
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Cecil Basil said:
I do have insurance out of fear, but that's a fear of not having enough money to cover something and it doesn't potentially put my life or someone elses life in danger by having it.

I have no doubt that carrying a gun has saved a few lives. At the same time, for every feel good story you show me, I can show you a tragic one where someone died accidentally because of a gun.
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There are no gun "accidents" there are only purposefully and carelessness.
 
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Cecil Basil said:
I can understand that. I'm not against owning or carrying, to each their own. I just don't understand the psychology of worrying about dangerous people or things hurting your family, yet you own those dangerous things that could hurt them. Don't you worry about gun accidents? Someone breaking in, finding your gun and using it on you and your family (never say never)? I mean, it goes both ways right?
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I do not worry in the least about someone getting one of my guns and using it against me or my family.
 
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Cecil Basil said:
I can understand that. I'm not against owning or carrying, to each their own. I just don't understand the psychology of worrying about dangerous people or things hurting your family, yet you own those dangerous things that could hurt them. Don't you worry about gun accidents? Someone breaking in, finding your gun and using it on you and your family (never say never)? I mean, it goes both ways right?
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Bottom line...if the time ever comes (and I sincerely hope it never does) that a weapon might make a difference you'll either have one or you won't. That's really all there is to it IMO.
 
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Cecil Basil said:
I can understand that. I'm not against owning or carrying, to each their own. I just don't understand the psychology of worrying about dangerous people or things hurting your family, yet you own those dangerous things that could hurt them. Don't you worry about gun accidents? Someone breaking in, finding your gun and using it on you and your family (never say never)? I mean, it goes both ways right?
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If they can get past my alarm, dogs and a safe then there's not much I can do. I bet you someone won't though.
 
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Cecil Basil said:
I do have insurance out of fear, but that's a fear of not having enough money to cover something and it doesn't potentially put my life or someone elses life in danger by having it.

I have no doubt that carrying a gun has saved a few lives. At the same time, for every feel good story you show me, I can show you a tragic one where someone died accidentally because of a gun.
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Its saved alot more than a few. Sure people die in gun accidents too. People die in car accidents, accidents at home, work and all sorts of things. If we lived in a perfect world there would be no need to carry a gun but we don't.
 
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hog88 said:
There are no gun "accidents" there are only purposefully and carelessness.
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I guess you can word it that way. Carelessness can lead to an accident. When a kid finds his Dad's gun and shoots his brother, that's an accident. Yes, the Dad was careless in leaving it out, but the kid doesn't mean to shoot his brother.
 
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Cecil Basil said:
I can understand that. I'm not against owning or carrying, to each their own. I just don't understand the psychology of worrying about dangerous people or things hurting your family, yet you own those dangerous things that could hurt them. Don't you worry about gun accidents? Someone breaking in, finding your gun and using it on you and your family (never say never)? I mean, it goes both ways right?
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I dont really get this, if someone is breaking in to do you harm they would bring a weapon with them.
 
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Cecil Basil said:
Have you ever been attacked before? Or has someone in your family been attacked? Do you live in a rough neighborhood?
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No
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No, but have before.

But I've been places and seen things that most haven't. I may be a little jaded. I see the world for what it is.
 
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Cecil Basil said:
I guess you can word it that way. Carelessness can lead to an accident. When a kid finds his Dad's gun and shoots his brother, that's an accident. Yes, the Dad was careless in leaving it out, but the kid doesn't mean to shoot his brother.
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No that is carelessness. Dad didn't have his weapon secure and had not taught his kids properly. That is being careless with his guns.

There are almost no accidents, maybe you have a house fire and a round cooks off and hits someone but you get the point.

The root cause of what most would call an "accident" is carelessness, plain and simple.
 
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Hopvol said:
I dont really get this, if someone is breaking in to do you harm they would bring a weapon with them.
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Not necessarily. There are thousands of scenarios for and against. It's understandable for people to get defensive and start going to well about guns don't kill people etc etc.. I was curious about the psychology of it. I personally don't feel the need to have more than strong doors, good locks and a dogwood walking stick in the corner to defend myself if need be. I just think it's interesting how some people feel the need to have an arsenal, dogs, alarms, moats, and claymores in the yard.
 
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Cecil Basil said:
Not necessarily. There are thousands of scenarios for and against. It's understandable for people to get defensive and start going to well about guns don't kill people etc etc.. I was curious about the psychology of it. I personally don't feel the need to have more than strong doors, good locks and a dogwood walking stick in the corner to defend myself if need be. I just think it's interesting how some people feel the need to have an arsenal, dogs, alarms, moats, and claymores in the yard.
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Carrying and owning are two different things.

I carry for me and my family. I own because I enjoy shooting.
 
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