Ainge's resume

#101
#101
well all I got to say is that Ainge isnt the best qb or is he the worst but anyone blaming him for the Vols mediocre play is on some powerful dope.
 
#102
#102
VolinArizona said:
Comparing the routes of 2007 thus far to 2006's throws shows you have no idea what you're talking about. Yes, against Cal, you can remember the 2 to Meachem. But you don't mention the seam route he nailed. This season, he hasn't done ANYTHING downfield, so you have a valid point. However, last season, he pretty much threw all the routes we had.
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He had his struggles last year... don't dismiss that. Florida, Kentucky, and Penn State were not games he was on his game. And 2 of those were late season games when he seemed to fall back to 2005 form.
 
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#103
Rasputin_Vol said:
Stunna... hat... seriously.

Where am I off base in this? Everything I said about Ainge has come to fruition this year and were only 3 games into it. And the stats that I errored on actually made Ainge's numbers look better than they actually were.

How is pointing all that out "trolling"?
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The post of mine you quoted earlier wasn't directed at you. I have neither the interest nor the inclination to debate the merits of Erik Ainge's tenure at Tennessee.
 
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#104
givem6 said:
well all I got to say is that Ainge isnt the best qb or is he the worst but anyone blaming him for the Vols mediocre play is on some powerful dope.
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Drug free.

Take a step back and HONESTLY grade Ainge's career and say to yourself has he ever given you as a fan (we're not even talking teammate) the warm and fuzzy feeling that he either wasn't going to have a mental break down or have a physical limitation/injury.

When has Ainge ever made a play? Tebow makes plays. Leak made big 3rd down plays to win a big game against us last year. Jamarcus Russle did the same. Rick Clausen made plays. Scheaffer had a big play that gave us the momentum needed to win against USC in 2004.

Ainge has been a complete and total failure as a QB. I know, I know... highest completion percentage in UT history. Big deal if you're throwin passes no more than 5 yards downfield (Cal game) or being held back because Cutcliffe doesn't have confidence in you to go downfield. Big deal...
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
He had his struggles last year... don't dismiss that. Florida, Kentucky, and Penn State were not games he was on his game. And 2 of those were late season games when he seemed to fall back to 2005 form.
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None of those games were as bad as 2005. Not even close, and you saying that is ignorant.

Kentucky and PSU games: 44/70 (62.9%), 1 TD, 1 INT, 507 yards, 7.25 ypa. If he put up those numbers in 2005, we win the SEC East.

He had struggles for sure, but his only BAD game was against Florida, who had 8 draft picks on defense.

Remember, Tee Martin, Casey Clausen, and Peyton Manning all had bad games.

Don't get me wrong, Ainge's 2004 and 2005 were together awful. 2006 was not, especially considering defenses started to play the pass EVERY down.
 
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#106
Rasputin_Vol said:
Drug free.

Take a step back and HONESTLY grade Ainge's career and say to yourself has he ever given you as a fan (we're not even talking teammate) the warm and fuzzy feeling that he either wasn't going to have a mental break down or have a physical limitation/injury.

When has Ainge ever made a play? Tebow makes plays. Leak made big 3rd down plays to win a big game against us last year. Jamarcus Russle did the same. Rick Clausen made plays. Scheaffer had a big play that gave us the momentum needed to win against USC in 2004.

Ainge has been a complete and total failure as a QB. I know, I know... highest completion percentage in UT history. Big deal if you're throwin passes no more than 5 yards downfield (Cal game) or being held back because Cutcliffe doesn't have confidence in you to go downfield. Big deal...
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Remember, 3 of the 4 years Ainge has been here, we've fielded the 3 worst defenses in Fulmer's era. 2004 aqnd 2007 are awwwwful, and 2006 was below average.
 
#107
#107
Rasputin_Vol said:
Drug free.

Take a step back and HONESTLY grade Ainge's career and say to yourself has he ever given you as a fan (we're not even talking teammate) the warm and fuzzy feeling that he either wasn't going to have a mental break down or have a physical limitation/injury.

When has Ainge ever made a play? Tebow makes plays. Leak made big 3rd down plays to win a big game against us last year. Jamarcus Russle did the same. Rick Clausen made plays. Scheaffer had a big play that gave us the momentum needed to win against USC in 2004.

Ainge has been a complete and total failure as a QB. I know, I know... highest completion percentage in UT history. Big deal if you're throwin passes no more than 5 yards downfield (Cal game) or being held back because Cutcliffe doesn't have confidence in you to go downfield. Big deal...
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yeah I understand what your saying but there has been plenty of games where we were in the position to win but the d failed again. You should not even mention the cal and fla game because manning could have came to back to play and it still would have ended the same-a loss.
 
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#108
VolinArizona said:
None of those games were as bad as 2005. Not even close, and you saying that is ignorant.

Kentucky and PSU games: 44/70 (62.9%), 1 TD, 1 INT, 507 yards, 7.25 ypa. If he put up those numbers in 2005, we win the SEC East.

He had struggles for sure, but his only BAD game was against Florida, who had 8 draft picks on defense.

Remember, Tee Martin, Casey Clausen, and Peyton Manning all had bad games.

Don't get me wrong, Ainge's 2004 and 2005 were together awful. 2006 was not, especially considering defenses started to play the pass EVERY down.
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44/70 with 1 TD and 1 interceptions wins us the SEC in 2005? Are you kidding me?

If I'm a fool for thinking otherwise, then I guess I'll have to be satisfied to live in a straitjacket.
 
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#109
VolinArizona said:
Remember, 3 of the 4 years Ainge has been here, we've fielded the 3 worst defenses in Fulmer's era. 2004 aqnd 2007 are awwwwful, and 2006 was below average.
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What does our defense have to do with his offense in 2005 and this season? Or his ability to find himself injured in 2004 and 2006?
 
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#110
Rasputin_Vol said:
44/70 with 1 TD and 1 interceptions wins us the SEC in 2005? Are you kidding me?

If I'm a fool for thinking otherwise, then I guess I'll have to be satisfied to live in a straitjacket.
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Not 44/70, 1:1, but where that's going. Seriously, if he goes 19TD:9INT, 67% in 2005, we are playing in a BCS bowl.
 
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#111
givem6 said:
yeah I understand what your saying but there has been plenty of games where we were in the position to win but the d failed again. You should not even mention the cal and fla game because manning could have came to back to play and it still would have ended the same-a loss.
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The same can be said about the Arky game last season when Crompton played.

As I've said, most of you cut him more slack and come up with more excuses for him when he struggles to put together 2-3 consectutive games where he consistantly looks like a DIV-1 QB.
 
#113
#113
It's like this:

Peyton Manning = Chateaubriand
Tee Martin = Filet Mignon
Casey Clausen = Porterhouse
Erik Ainge = Sirloin

Not inherently bad, but not awful.
 
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#115
Rasputin_Vol said:
What does our defense have to do with his offense in 2005 and this season? Or his ability to find himself injured in 2004 and 2006?
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You continue to bring up his record - he is not the only person responsible for that record. Thus, the defense matters.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Ainge has been a complete and total failure as a QB.
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As I said way upthread, based on some of the things we saw when he was a true freshman, his career has to be considered a disappointment. Some of it's his own fault; some of it is because he's just one of those guys who gets hurt a lot; some of it is because of coaching, personnel, etc. etc. But he's also had the misfortune to be the TN quarterback during the most mediocre period for UT football since the early 80s -- in all facets of the game, not just the passing game. Everything about our team has slid while other teams in the conference have been getting better. When your offensive line is awful, your running backs are largely a collection of fumbling mediocrities, your receivers can't get open or make plays, your defense is giving up 40 points a game -- well, that's not much of a recipe for success for anybody.

I can see why Hat has no interest in debating Ainge's stint as UT quarterback; the last couple of years of it have really not been all that interesting. Good at times; mediocre at times; whatever. The system within he works is so flawed, however, that obsessing one position -- even the QB -- is a little beside the point.
 
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#118
givem6 said:
well when you give up 100 pts in 2 games its really hard to win.
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Not arguing the whether the defense is bad. I'm saying that on 2 occasions just this year alone, Ainge cost us a chance to go for a first down and at least go down swinging in Cal because of his injury and this past Saturday, he's still not able to go downfield with consistency against Florida (or even make a deep throw to keep them honest).

Heck, if an injured Ainge gives us a better chance to win against Florida by not throwing downfield and being the catalyst for a momentum changing fumble that leads to a 59-20 rout, then what more damage would it do to get Coleman or crompton in there and let them get some snaps? Whats the worse that could happen... 70-10? 77-14? Same difference... but Ainge has run out of his breaks and doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt anymore. Enough with this. Lets see what Crompton and Coleman can do... 'cause we sure as heck know what we can expect out of Ainge.
 
#119
#119
VolinArizona said:
It's like this:

Peyton Manning = Chateaubriand
Tee Martin = Filet Mignon
Casey Clausen = Porterhouse
Erik Ainge = Sirloin

Not inherently bad, but not awful.
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This is not a bad analogy. And Ainge has been a sirloin thunked down on the table with Kraft mac and cheese and tater-tots on a paper plate with plastic utensils. And Thunderbird in a plastic cup on the side. With the waiter working like heck to get you your food before it's cold, of course.
 
#121
#121
Its been a rollercoaster with Ainge...but if he stays healthy last year id say we would of gotten a win over LSU who every body considered at the end of the year the best team in CFB including UF....which I think is BS because they beat a very overrated Irish team & they beat Arkansas...

Back to Ainge I know its your senior season and you want to show your toughness and be the leader of the team, but if your hurting your team because you have a broken finger on your throwing hand and it screws up the way you hand off the ball causing fumbles, & you cant throw the ball downfield there is no shame in letting a healthy QB in there

Usually the most popular guy on a struggling football team is the back-up QB and if we where still 1-2 going into this week after having Crompton start the first three. VolNation would be chomping at the bit to get Ainge back in there and turn the season around.

I dont think team morale could be any lower right now, and you know Ainge is blaming himself for that backbreaking fumble.

Bottom Line is if Ainge can get this team to 10 wins and give em a chance for 11 in a bowl then his resume will be IMMENSE
 
#122
#122
VolinArizona said:
You continue to bring up his record - he is not the only person responsible for that record. Thus, the defense matters.
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Of course he's not responsible for the defense's problems... c'mon. I realize that. But it is symbolic of the problem at UT. If you still stick with a guy at the leadership position of your offense that over 4 years has given you zilch in terms of making plays or restoring pride or being a strong leader, what makes you think that the man in charge is going to hold other players (the defense) accountable for when they are just as mediocre?

Ainge may not be the leader, but his personality and resume at UT in the last 4 years pretty much resembles the type of play that we see on offense, defense and special teams.
 
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#123
Rasputin_Vol said:
Not arguing the whether the defense is bad. I'm saying that on 2 occasions just this year alone, Ainge cost us a chance to go for a first down and at least go down swinging in Cal because of his injury and this past Saturday, he's still not able to go downfield with consistency against Florida (or even make a deep throw to keep them honest).

Heck, if an injured Ainge gives us a better chance to win against Florida by not throwing downfield and being the catalyst for a momentum changing fumble that leads to a 59-20 rout, then what more damage would it do to get Coleman or crompton in there and let them get some snaps? Whats the worse that could happen... 70-10? 77-14? Same difference... but Ainge has run out of his breaks and doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt anymore. Enough with this. Lets see what Crompton and Coleman can do... 'cause we sure as heck know what we can expect out of Ainge.
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yeah there were some big plays he missed in both games. The Cal game when we were 1st and goal and did not score. He had the open man but threw a bad pass. The Fla. game when it was still close he threw a bad pass on I think it was 4th and goal, that hurt bad. But even if he had of made those plays, th D could not do anything. If we had tied Cal and Fla. we still would have lost those games hands down.
 
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