'14 IN SG Jaquan Lyle

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bleedingTNorange said:
If I'm Martin, I'm pushing for the guys like London, demery, Richmond, Mitchell and Lindsey right now.

You missed on Lyle which hurts, but the good news is its June. Go out and secure a commitment from London before he blows up. Try to get back in it with Richmond and see if he's ready to pull the trigger.

Losing Lyle hurts, but a class of:

Richmond, Cornish, London and Cofer is very good, and could be locked up by the end of July. That gives you times to continue to pursue looney, Lindsey, demery, hurt etc.


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You are correct about where we are. We will need to get solid 3 star type kids who will be here for the long term. Its just where we are as a program and we haven't shown anything yet to make the elite players have interest in us except for the instate kid. When we win something meaningful then we can step up in recruiting but I don't see us doing that until we win something.
 
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He was a long shot we made up ground with him but Louisville has been recruiting him a lot longer and we just couldn't overcome their closeness to home and the excellence of their program.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I don't believe that's accurate.
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They have been recruiting him for three years CCM hasn't been here that long. He wanted to play close to home Louisville is closer than Tennessee. Their program had to be a factor they have already committed a point guard and shooting guard as talented as he is so he is gonna have to share time. At Tennessee he was an instant starter 30 minute a game player.
 
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SJAVol32 said:
Unless they started in 8th grade it's not. IU was the first to offer his first varsity game of freshman year.
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They were one of the top three no one knows the actual order but I think we were certainly one of them. I'm sure IU is just as disappointed as Tennessee.
 
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Volfan2012 said:
They have been recruiting him for three years CCM hasn't been here that long. He wanted to play close to home Louisville is closer than Tennessee. Their program had to be a factor they have already committed a point guard and shooting guard as talented as he is so he is gonna have to share time. At Tennessee he was an instant starter 30 minute a game player.
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Pretty sure I read Martin was recruiting him at mizz st while Lyle was a freshman before he blew up.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Pretty sure I read Martin was recruiting him at mizz st while Lyle was a freshman before he blew up.
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Then you wonder why CCM couldn't seal the deal why he would choose Louisville over us. There has to be a reason we can match anything Louisville has to offer as far as facilities. I certainly like CCM better than their coach guess some players don't share that view.
 
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Volfan2012 said:
Then you wonder why CCM couldn't seal the deal why he would choose Louisville over us. There has to be a reason we can match anything Louisville has to offer as far as facilities. I certainly like CCM better than their coach guess some players don't share that view.
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It is probably the distance from home and maybe that Louisville just won a title. That's my best guess, anyway.
 
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Volfan2012 said:
Then you wonder why CCM couldn't seal the deal why he would choose Louisville over us. There has to be a reason we can match anything Louisville has to offer as far as facilities. I certainly like CCM better than their coach guess some players don't share that view.
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Really, you wonder why? I'm sure it had alot to do with the fact they just won the national championship while we were getting bounced in the first round of the NIT?
 
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Volfan2012 said:
Then you wonder why CCM couldn't seal the deal why he would choose Louisville over us. There has to be a reason we can match anything Louisville has to offer as far as facilities. I certainly like CCM better than their coach guess some players don't share that view.
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I'm really starting to wonder about you.
 
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Volfan2012 said:
Then you wonder why CCM couldn't seal the deal why he would choose Louisville over us. There has to be a reason we can match anything Louisville has to offer as far as facilities. I certainly like CCM better than their coach guess some players don't share that view.
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Not sure if serious.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Really, you wonder why? I'm sure it had alot to do with the fact they just won the national championship while we were getting bounced in the first round of the NIT?
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I understand that was a huge factor but personally I would go to a school that had a coach I liked and where I could play early. I guess those were non factors in the decision and now we'll see what Looney does he has the same decision. Duke is always at the top and here we are wanting these players to give us a chance so we can get there with our program.
 
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SJAVol32 said:
I'm really starting to wonder about you.
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So you evidently expect us to always lose these players because a team won a National Championship. There should be a lot more consideration than that like playing time and the coach. If you believe that then forget Looney he will be going to Duke.
 
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Volfan2012 said:
So you evidently expect us to always lose these players because a team won a National Championship. There should be a lot more consideration than that like playing time and the coach. If you believe that then forget Looney he will be going to Duke.
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Your logic is what is confusing. I expect to get players too but you have to be realistic.
 
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Volfan2012 said:
Then you wonder why CCM couldn't seal the deal why he would choose Louisville over us. There has to be a reason we can match anything Louisville has to offer as far as facilities. I certainly like CCM better than their coach guess some players don't share that view.
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In the objective world, one guy has multiple NCAA championships, multiple players in the NBA, and is coaching less than two hours from Lyle's hometown. The other has multiple NIT appearances, no NBA players, and is nearly three times the distance.

Regardless of our hometown loyalties to Tennessee and CCM, the average person doesn't share those feelings. We can't really offer anything Louisville can't other than an underwheling lack of competition for PT. Players like Lyle aren't usually scared of competition anyway, and if they were, would you really want them?
 
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cncchris33 said:
In the objective world, one guy has multiple NCAA championships, multiple players in the NBA, and is coaching less than two hours from Lyle's hometown. The other has multiple NIT appearances, no NBA players, and is nearly three times the distance.

Regardless of our hometown loyalties to Tennessee and CCM, the average person doesn't share those feelings. We can't really offer anything Louisville can't other than an underwheling lack of competition for PT. Players like Lyle aren't usually scared of competition anyway, and if they were, would you really want them?
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Very well said if I may say so :hi:
 
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cncchris33 said:
In the objective world, one guy has multiple NCAA championships, multiple players in the NBA, and is coaching less than two hours from Lyle's hometown. The other has multiple NIT appearances, no NBA players, and is nearly three times the distance.

Regardless of our hometown loyalties to Tennessee and CCM, the average person doesn't share those feelings. We can't really offer anything Louisville can't other than an underwheling lack of competition for PT. Players like Lyle aren't usually scared of competition anyway, and if they were, would you really want them?
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So evidently according to this after the fact response by you we wasted a lot of time recruiting him. Looks like CCM wasted about four years. If we can't compete with the schools no matter their accomplishments then we want be moving to the next level.
 
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Volfan2012 said:
So evidently according to this after the fact response by you we wasted a lot of time recruiting him. Looks like CCM wasted about four years. If we can't compete with the schools no matter their accomplishments then we want be moving to the next level.
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I don't think you'll see Martin land 5* from outside Tennessee until he has some NCAA tournament trips under his belt. It's hard to land a guy like Lyle, who has no connection to Tennessee when you're a NIT coach recruiting against the defending national champs, c'mon man.

It's impressive that Tennesee made the final four over some of the schools that they did to be honest with you. However, it's probably not realistic to expect us to land 5* guys from out of state until we have made the dance at least.
 
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Volfan2012 said:
So evidently according to this after the fact response by you we wasted a lot of time recruiting him. Looks like CCM wasted about four years. If we can't compete with the schools no matter their accomplishments then we want be moving to the next level.
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Wow. That's what you took from my post? I'm not even sure how to respond.

All I was saying, is you (and most Tennessee fans) see Tennessee and Coach Martin through the rose-colored glasses of a fan. You, either consciously or otherwise, choose to highlight his good points and minimize the bad. A recruit with no obvious ties to the University of Tennessee isn't going to operate in that manner. He will take a much less emotional approach at judging the tangible things for himself. Things like location, success, experience, ability to get drafted, exposure, etc. Those are all things that Pitino, like it or not, dwarfs Martin in when it comes to resumés. He may be sleazy and unethical, but his good outweighs his bad (which in Pitino's case is mostly isolated to his own character damage, and not the school's).

So, did Martin waste the last four years? No. He likely built good relationships and inroads in southern Indiana. He likely learned some lessons along the way that he takes to the next kid's living room. He likely learned that it pays to have options (Mitchell and Richmond). He likely learned that just because you think you think you present the best opportunity for the kid, it doesn't mean you'll get him. Most importantly, hopefully he learned he better start showing he can get it done when it matters.
 
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