IRS admits to targeting Conservative groups

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If if you want to see the arrogance of government on display, watch Miller's testimony today. Un-flippin-believable.
 
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volinbham said:
No, I'm saying that like the Green Party emerged from any number of advocacy (tax exempt) groups so to did the Tea Party as a political party.

It was an advocacy movement that politicians attached themselves to.

Further, there can be hundreds of groups that advocate for smaller government and reduced taxation that never have anything to do with a particular candidate.
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Ham, it has a freaking caucus in the U.S. House of Representatives, as a faction of the Republican Party. That is not just an advocacy movement; it is an overtly partisan political movement. They are recognized as a faction of the Republican Party...by the Republican Party...in the U.S. House of Representatives! !! !!! !!!! !!!!! !!!!!! !!!!!!! !!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!
 
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Vol Main said:
Ham, it has a freaking caucus in the U.S. House of Representatives, as a faction of the Republican Party. That is not just an advocacy movement; it is an overtly partisan political movement.
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can a person be in the TP without being a Republican?

can a person be a Republican without being a member of the Tea Party?
 
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Vol Main said:
Ham, it has a freaking caucus in the U.S. House of Representatives, as a faction of the Republican Party. That is not just an advocacy movement; it is an overtly partisan political movement.
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Your characterization is not limited to the Tea Party yet they received different treatment.

There are groups with Tea Party in their name that are advocacy groups.
 
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volinbham said:
Your characterization is not limited to the Tea Party yet they received different treatment.

There are groups with Tea Party in their name that are advocacy groups.
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the Tea Party just happens to be chock full of libertarians.
 
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utvolpj said:
can a person be in the TP without being a Republican?

can a person be a Republican without being a member of the Tea Party?
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It is a political organization which exists to affect elections and legislation, and it is now part of the Republican Party. Do you deny that?
 
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volinbham said:
Your characterization is not limited to the Tea Party yet they received different treatment.

There are groups with Tea Party in their name that are advocacy groups.
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Well, groups with big D Democrat in their name should be flagged and thoroughly examined. If that is what they call themselves, and their purpose is to affect legislation and elections, then that should determine their tax status.

If an advocacy group does not want to be recognized as the Tea Party, then it should not name itself Tea Party.
 
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Disparate treatment is illegal under the law. This occurred and was admitted to by the IRS.

What is so hard to understand? It is not an "allegation" being brought forward by an outside entity.

Now we are learning that this information was known and kept hidden from Congress by those who should have known better.

The conduct was illegal and takes on a particularly onerous meaning because it occurred up to and during a National Election cycle.

One could imagine the howls from LG if this occurred during the 2004 election cycle and was aimed at "progressive" organizations.
 
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Vol Main said:
Well, groups with big D Democrat in their name should not be tax exempt. If that is what they call themselves, then that should determine their tax status.

If an advocacy group does not want to be recognized as the Tea Party, then it should not name itself Tea Party.
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All your "shoulds" are wonderful. Would be fun to see you argue with an IRS auditor about what "should be".

However, we are dealing with what "is". The IG report definitively states certain groups were targeted, those groups tended to be on one side of the political spectrum and such targeting was wrong.
 
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Vol Main said:
No, the U.S. House of Representatives did, by allowing it to caucus. Please imagine that you have read that 100 times and are beginning to remember it.
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Please imagine that we understand your point but think it is wrong and irrelevant even if you continue to post it.
 
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Vol Main said:
No, the U.S. House of Representatives did, by allowing it to caucus. Please imagine that you have read that 100 times and are beginning to remember it.
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volinbham said:
Please imagine that we understand your point but think it is wrong and irrelevant even if you continue to post it.
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please imagine that you write it on the blackboard 100 times.... never mind it will be wrong and irrelevant if it is read or written 1000 times....
 
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volinbham said:
Please imagine that we understand your point but think it is wrong and irrelevant even if you continue to post it.
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Oh I am well aware of the prevailing bias here which maintains that established relevant facts are wrong and irrelevant, whenever they do not like them. I don't know what you call that kind of behavior, but the only words which come to my mind are not flattering.
 
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