IRS admits to targeting Conservative groups

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lawgator1 said:
Motive matters on this one.

While it was wrong to treat them differently for any reason (even if legitimate concerns about safety), it is really bad to have done so out of political bias.
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Funny... I remember you saying the exact same thing bolded above regarding Bush's decision to invade Iraq (among many other examples).

Does "motive" over the actual "act" only apply to a certain party and not all?
 
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lawgator1 said:
Motive matters on this one.

While it was wrong to treat them differently for any reason (even if legitimate concerns about fraud), it is really bad to have done so out of political bias.
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Motives matter to be sure but we know that specific political groups were targeted. The "if" sounds like that part itself is in doubt.

It is worse if it was for punishment but even if not there is no way to say it's not political because the profiling was done on political affiliation.

I'd prefer him say this is absolutely wrong under any circumstances and especially egregious if it was to punish people for political views.
 
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volinbham said:
Motives matter to be sure but we know that specific political groups were targeted. The "if" sounds like that part itself is in doubt.

It is worse if it was for punishment but even if not there is no way to say it's not political because the profiling was done on political affiliation.

I'd prefer him say this is absolutely wrong under any circumstances and especially egregious if it was to punish people for political views.
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Never going to happen.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The donor list requests is wrong and there needs to be retraining and discipline over it. I would agree with that.

In terms of the bigger picture, don't forget that some part of this came from the Citizen's United decision. That the IRS might want to ensure that these were not used as conduits for illegal campaign contributions should come as no surprise.

As I say, however, even if their motivation was innocent, there seems little debate but that the mechanism they used was improper and needs to be fixed.[/

The request for the donors list leaves no doubt in my mind that the whole purpose of this was to flush out conservative backers and inflict as much misery on them as possible. It's BS LG and as goofy as hell liberal as you are you know this.....it also wasn't the idea of some low level staffers ...
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IBlvNTmWrk said:
Funny... I remember you saying the exact same thing bolded above regarding Bush's decision to invade Iraq (among many other examples).

Does "motive" over the actual "act" only apply to a certain party and not all?
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It depends on the issue and, more important in this particular case, the point of the stampede by various TP groups to spin up outrage over this.

TP groups that complaint they had to fill out the form and deal with burdensome production requests have a legitimate gripe, but its not like if they are legit they wouldn't be prepared to respond to such an inquiry. That is, its a pain in the arse but its not a scandal.

However, Fox News and Issa et al are seixing on the word "targeted" to imply that the reason this was done was political bias against them.

They have made the charge. The IRS has responded that the motive was not political, but was instead to prevent fraud given the explosion in applications sporting to such names or buzz words.

The burden is now shifted back to the TPers to demonstrate proof of actual political bias. I assure you they will claim it, and they and their allies have blurred the distinction well so far. We'll see what the proof is on that as time wears on.
 
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lawgator1 said:
It depends on the issue and, more important in this particular case, the point of the stampede by various TP groups to spin up outrage over this.

TP groups that complaint they had to fill out the form and deal with burdensome production requests have a legitimate gripe, but its not like if they are legit they wouldn't be prepared to respond to such an inquiry. That is, its a pain in the arse but its not a scandal.

However, Fox News and Issa et al are seixing on the word "targeted" to imply that the reason this was done was political bias against them.

They have made the charge. The IRS has responded that the motive was not political, but was instead to prevent fraud given the explosion in applications sporting to such names or buzz words.

The burden is now shifted back to the TPers to demonstrate proof of actual political bias. I assure you they will claim it, and they and their allies have blurred the distinction well so far. We'll see what the proof is on that as time wears on.
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Unreal how much of a shill you are. And by shill I mean joke.

I mean, if the IRS claims "it's not political that is specifically targeted one political party than dang-it it ain't political stupid!"
 
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Hey guys. Did you know nobody but Fox News and super right wing conservatives have any problem with this? All of the apologies and admissions of mistakes are fake.
 
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hog88 said:
Never going to happen.
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It already happened.

"He(Obama) added that anyone involved needs to be 'held fully accountable.' Obama says he has 'no patience for it' and will not tolerate a specific targeting of groups."

Obama: IRS Focus on Conservative Groups 'Outrageous' - Yahoo!
 
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Vol Main said:
It already happened.

"He(Obama) added that anyone involved needs to be 'held fully accountable.' Obama says he has 'no patience for it' and will not tolerate a specific targeting of groups."

Obama: IRS Focus on Conservative Groups 'Outrageous' - Yahoo!
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So everything Obama has said has then happened exactly how he said it? Link?
 
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Vol Main said:
It already happened.

"He(Obama) added that anyone involved needs to be 'held fully accountable.' Obama says he has 'no patience for it' and will not tolerate a specific targeting of groups."

Obama: IRS Focus on Conservative Groups 'Outrageous' - Yahoo!
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You missed the "IF" in front of all of that.
 
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VOLinthaNATI said:
So everything Obama has said has then happened exactly how he said it? Link?
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You don't need a link. Read post #154 on this page. The issue is what he wants Obama to say, and Obama already said it.

"I'd prefer him say this is absolutely wrong under any circumstances and especially egregious if it was to punish people for political views."
 
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
Revealed: The 55 questions the IRS asked one tea party group after more than two years of waiting - including demands for names of all its donors and volunteers | Mail Online
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Obviously, targeting some political groups while giving other political groups a pass is wrong. But the reality is that many groups receive tax deductible status when they should not. If a group works to affect legislation or elections, contributions are not supposed to be tax deductible. Many apply for deductible status as educational organizations, when they are in fact political lobbies or partisan campaign organizations.
 
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volmaverick said:
Someone ordered the IRS to do this. just like someone ordered 12 different changes to the Libya attack report. the question is who?
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That would be, if I had to guess, that Valarie Jarrett woman that's on his staff. I think she's the one that feeds him BS everyday to say & do.
 
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VOLinthaNATI said:
It is utterly absurd that LG only chooses to wait on additional evidence when its a Liberal issue but literally jumps at the chance to excoriate the GOP at even the slightest hint of some problem.
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Don't forget he's also VN's Ms. Cleo of racism.
 
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Obama slipped up in an interview last night when he blamed the situation on a Turbotax video (aimed at finding you the best return) posted on youtube.
 
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There needs to be an investigation of this. Who, exactly, made the decision to subject these organizations to closer scrutiny?

And more importantly, why?
 
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lawgator1 said:
There needs to be an investigation of this. Who, exactly, made the decision to subject these organizations to closer scrutiny?

And more importantly, why?
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Wasn't that sentiment previously considered to be a witch hunt by the far right, TP'ers, etc?
 
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