Martin wants an extension and am sure a raise (rumor)

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Martin needs to be given his walking papers instead of an extension. He is in may over his head, terrible coach. Before all his supporters start praising , tell me what year did he take a team to the NCAA Tourney. He has not accomplished anything in his coaching career except winning because his team did not make the show..
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Actually 247 has team rankings out, so you're wrong about that.
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That composite ranking list is crap at the moment which i'm sure you are aware of. Maybe you should also check Scout, Rivals, and ESPN for their 2014 team rankings, and find out if they exist so early in the recruiting cycle. Also maybe you should edit the original post to reflect 24/7 composite team rankings.
 
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Kusotate said:
That composite ranking list is crap at the moment which i'm sure you are aware of. Maybe you should also check Scout, Rivals, and ESPN for their 2014 team rankings, and find out if they exist so early in the recruiting cycle. Also maybe you should edit the original post to reflect 24/7 composite team rankings.
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Why is it crap?

We have 1 commit. Some schools have more, some have less. Cornish is a top 150 player. 3* by most it seems. But is close to a 4* by most services it also seems. He's a 4* composite on 247.

Anyone hating on the recruiting class for 2014 is simply hating on it because they don't like Martin.

Jordan Cornish is the first piece of this recruiting class. Martin is in on some really nice players. Looks like Phil Cofer could be the next guy to commit. He's an ESPN top 60 recruit.
 
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BOP said:
It's not the world of all contracts at all. In the world of contracts, a contract extension is generally performance based.
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Not entirely, good faith extensions happen a great deal. This would basically show that Hart thinks Martin has done so so and thinks he will do better next year. If he had done great he would be getting a raise and longer extension, if he had done bad he would be on the hot seat and fired next year. Basically Hart is banking on a NCAA birth next year.
 
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BOP said:
Because he ought to be able to bring in significantly better talent consistently, not just a bunch of 3rd tier guys. It's really not a hard sell at all. Not sure why you think this is such a difficult place to recruit to.
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I would love to hear your sales pitch to a kid from Chicago, Los Angeles, Houston, and etc. about why he should come to UT rather than Duke, UNC, Kansas. I'm not bashing us, I just cant image us being an EASY sell.
 
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Kusotate said:
That composite ranking list is crap at the moment which i'm sure you are aware of. Maybe you should also check Scout, Rivals, and ESPN for their 2014 team rankings, and find out if they exist so early in the recruiting cycle. Also maybe you should edit the original post to reflect 24/7 composite team rankings.
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Your statement was that 2014 team rankings aren't out, you didn't say oh except for 247 composite rankings. There are some rankings out, they have Tennessee at 25 (I originally said 20) here's a link for you 2014 Basketball Recruiting Team Rankings

Why is it you say the composites are crap? I actually think its the most unbiased way to look at rankings. For example a guy like Phil Cofer is up around 150 on some services but 50 on ESPN, that's a huge gap. So one can argue he's top 50 while another says he barely top 150...the composite eliminates picking and choosing which service has said recruit higher and just gives an average...I like it personally.
 
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BOP said:
Because he ought to be able to bring in significantly better talent consistently, not just a bunch of 3rd tier guys. It's really not a hard sell at all. Not sure why you think this is such a difficult place to recruit to.
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Never said it was, and I've said the recruiting needs to improve...but you said he's one of the worst recruiters in the country and theres not a single fact you can bring to this discussion that would support that statement.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Why is it crap?

We have 1 commit. Some schools have more, some have less. Cornish is a top 150 player. 3* by most it seems. But is close to a 4* by most services it also seems. He's a 4* composite on 247.

Anyone hating on the recruiting class for 2014 is simply hating on it because they don't like Martin.

Jordan Cornish is the first piece of this recruiting class. Martin is in on some really nice players. Looks like Phil Cofer could be the next guy to commit. He's an ESPN top 60 recruit.
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Not hating on the class or the player, I simply mentioned there's a reason why scout, rivals, and espn haven't created a 2014 team recuiting ranks.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Your statement was that 2014 team rankings aren't out, you didn't say oh except for 247 composite rankings. There are some rankings out, they have Tennessee at 25 (I originally said 20) here's a link for you 2014 Basketball Recruiting Team Rankings

Why is it you say the composites are crap? I actually think its the most unbiased way to look at rankings. For example a guy like Phil Cofer is up around 150 on some services but 50 on ESPN, that's a huge gap. So one can argue he's top 50 while another says he barely top 150...the composite eliminates picking and choosing which service has said recruit higher and just gives an average...I like it personally.
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A guy is rated a 3 star by every site but somehow is a 4 star in the composite please explain how that works?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Your statement was that 2014 team rankings aren't out, you didn't say oh except for 247 composite rankings. There are some rankings out, they have Tennessee at 25 (I originally said 20) here's a link for you 2014 Basketball Recruiting Team Rankings

Why is it you say the composites are crap? I actually think its the most unbiased way to look at rankings. For example a guy like Phil Cofer is up around 150 on some services but 50 on ESPN, that's a huge gap. So one can argue he's top 50 while another says he barely top 150...the composite eliminates picking and choosing which service has said recruit higher and just gives an average...I like it personally.
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Since you are familiar with the composite ranking, how is the score accumulated? How does a unanimous 3 star become a composite 4 star? just curious.....
 
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GiveHimSixGoVols said:
A guy is rated a 3 star by every site but somehow is a 4 star in the composite please explain how that works?
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I was wondering the same thing. Not sure.

My guess was that his average ranking is better than other guys who are listed at 4* by some. He's a top 150 player and close to a 4* by most services.
 
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247Composite Rating

The 247Composite Rating is a proprietary algorithm that compiles prospect "rankings" and "ratings" listed in the public domain by the major media recruiting services. It converts average industry ranks and ratings into a linear composite index capping at 1.0000, which indicates a consensus No. 1 prospect across all services.
The 247Composite Rating is the industry's most comprehensive and unbiased prospect ranking and is also used to generate 247Sports Team Recruiting Rankings.

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All major media services share an equal percentage in the 247Composite Rating.
The composite index equally weights this percentage among the services that participate in a ranking for that specific prospect.

A composite strength meter, indicated by red bars, illustrates the total number of industry services that have ranked the prospect. A full strength meter indicates the prospect has been ranked by all industry services participating in the composite.

All industry services have a different philosophy on number of "stars" distributed with each class. The 247Composite Rating assigns stars based on an approximate average distribution of stars from the industry.
 
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Kusotate said:
Since you are familiar with the composite ranking, how is the score accumulated? How does a unanimous 3 star become a composite 4 star? just curious.....
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Average ranking. So say a guy who is a 4* according to ESPN but is a low 3* according to scout...the average ranking may be higher for Cornish than said recruit.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Average ranking. So say a guy who is a 4* according to ESPN but is a low 3* according to scout...the average ranking may be higher for Cornish than said recruit.
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but Cornish is a unanimous 3 star across the board...........

I guess the post by BigZiti was the composite scoring formula, I figured 24/7 would have stuck with the Rivals format for ranking recruits.
 
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Lol. Its all really ridiculous anyway. Guys like Cornish are fine, if they are at best the 3rd or 4th best recruit. If they are the best or 2nd best recruit we have then we will suck. Stop with the celebration of mediocrity.
 
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Kusotate said:
but Cornish is a unanimous 3 star across the board...........

I guess the post by BigZiti was the composite scoring formula, I figured 24/7 would have stuck with the Rivals format for ranking recruits.
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If recruit A is a 4* ranked 100 by one site, and 3* ranked 190 by another site

And

Recruit B is a 3* ranked 119 by one site, an 3* ranked 130 by another site


Who has the better average?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
If recruit A is a 4* ranked 100 by one site, and 3* ranked 190 by another site

And

Recruit B is a 3* ranked 119 by one site, an 3* ranked 130 by another site


Who has the better average?
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Wow really? That would make the other guy a 3 star, it wouldn't elevate him to a four star because of his average ranking is better. The whole point of the stars is to evaluate the player, not his position relative to others. One year their might be 160 4 star caliber players, another there might be 140. That doesnt mean they should say that the top 150 are 4 stars every year. That is waht the composite ranking is doing. If everyone says you are a 3 star, the composite should not say 4 star. It is dumb.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
If recruit A is a 4* ranked 100 by one site, and 3* ranked 190 by another site

And

Recruit B is a 3* ranked 119 by one site, an 3* ranked 130 by another site


Who has the better average?
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How is the higher rated prospect now a 4 star when he is not rated as such by either service. The other prospect should be a lower rated 3 star on the composite.

Even a guy with your IQ should be able to figure that out.
 
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BOP said:
Wow really? That would make the other guy a 3 star, it wouldn't elevate him to a four star because of his average ranking is better. The whole point of the stars is to evaluate the player, not his position relative to others. One year their might be 160 4 star caliber players, another there might be 140. That doesnt mean they should say that the top 150 are 4 stars every year. That is waht the composite ranking is doing. If everyone says you are a 3 star, the composite should not say 4 star. It is dumb.
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I think they have a certain number they always at least have don't they?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Why is it you say the composites are crap? I actually think its the most unbiased way to look at rankings. ...the composite eliminates picking and choosing which service has said recruit higher and just gives an average...I like it personally.
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Then you agree 2013 UT recruiting is Top 40, not Top 30 per 247 team composite?

2013 Basketball Recruiting Team Rankings
 
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