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LynxVol said:
Thanks for posting. Too bad that's not the real reason why he left UT. The reason he left was because he was uncomfortable with our current coaching staff, he was tired of working for a million different coaches, and more importantly, he wasn't getting paid what he thought he was worth. I don't disagree with him either.
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He was offered more to stay and chose not to. It wasn't the paper.
 
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darkgable said:
That's the problem I have with certain fans. He says that if CBJ doesn't win 8 or 9 games than he is a failure.
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No. That's not what I said. Not even close. He needs the 6 he should win then an upset. That's 7. He then needs to win a bowl. That's 8.

Why? I have explained that ad nauseum. If you don't think a 6 win season followed by what is likely to a worse '14 will have Jones on a hot seat in year 3 then you are simply deluding yourself.
Yes but to expect it and than call a CBJ a failure if he doesn't in year one is borderline stupidity.
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If he is an above average coach then he can win games with this roster. If he's not then he is not the coach that UT needs.

I'm not saying he's a failure if he doesn't win in year one. I am saying that if he can't win with this roster then he will struggle with the next two... and that will get him fired.
 
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LynxVol said:
Honestly, I'm not sure. I've been working a ton lately, and I could have very easily missed the story where it was reported. I just know that I read a story which stated that the offer was matched. I was unaware he left for less money.

Either way, the article posted did not state the real reason why he left, whether I'm right or wrong about the pay.
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It is and was very clear that Jay did not leave for the money. He must have just been uncomfortable with the new staff, some of whom have been together. However, Thigpen, Martinez, and Azzani are new too. Funny that he talked about 26 coaches, and then he moves on to yet another staff.

I have no problem with the move as people should be comfortable in their jobs. But you can bet that he may never be back at UT, especially if Jones is successful and is around a long time.
 
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therickbol said:
Arguments that Neal and Lane should be better running backs than Foster because they are faster. Haha! Typical ridiculous opinions based on the thinking that football is just a track meet in pads. Foster, even in college, showed so many excellent running back qualities that they don't have. You know NFL Pro Bowl qualities.
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We were both here when Foster was at UT. No one had the perception that he was a great RB when he was at UT. He fumbled in critical situations and didn't play his best against the best competition.
 
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sjt18 said:
No. That's not what I said. Not even close. He needs the 6 he should win then an upset. That's 7. He then needs to win a bowl. That's 8.

Why? I have explained that ad nauseum. If you don't think a 6 win season followed by what is likely to a worse '14 will have Jones on a hot seat in year 3 then you are simply deluding yourself.
If he is an above average coach then he can win games with this roster. If he's not then he is not the coach that UT needs.

I'm not saying he's a failure if he doesn't win in year one. I am saying that if he can't win with this roster then he will struggle with the next two... and that will get him fired.[/QUOTE I get its your opinion dude but you're the only one with these or else he's a failure expectations. Either you're a savant or just talking to be talking. Not one person in the game is saying 8 or 9 or else. Do I think its possible? Yes. If he doesn't in year one I'm not writing the Guy off. You're basing this all on emotion like the rest of us. Unless you have stats to show how these upsets are gonna come. Where are the numbers?
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VolGee4 said:
It is and was very clear that Jay did not leave for the money.
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Why is it so hard to understand that where JG fit in the salary pecking order had a direct effect on how he felt with the new staff?? He clearly got his feelings hurt and was insulted by other staff members making more money. The offer to keep him couldn't cure his perceived disrespect.
 
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sjt18 said:
There aren't many. And I am not in love with changing coaches that often.

However I am a realist and know that a couple of 6 win seasons (or worse) will set Jones up for what could be truly unreasonable expectations in year 3. He's not getting 5 or 6 years to turn the program around. You can believe that if you like but you are going to be disappointed... or disillusioned before its over.

Matter of fact, if he does not win early... the "fire him" talk WILL pick up and especially among those who didn't like the hire. When that happens, recruits will be more reluctant to come.... and when that happens... he loses.
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If Dooley beats Mizzou last season he's our coach right now...sooo we have this dynamo of a coach with a new approach and he's going to get fired if he doesn't this or that...bull@#$% and we both know it...but since you bothered to type it...two golf claps for you
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sjt18 said:
Yeah... you bet.

Whatever makes you feel better about getting embarrassed by facts.
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What back would you take? RS Freshman Foster who punished teams in a backup role or any RB on UT's roster? Guy you don't know football at all. To call these guys more talented "RBs" is crazy. Neal is a better raw athlete but not a better runner. But I guess you have a stat for that. Foster was up for draft consideration after his junior year. What has either of these backs done to make you think they'll get drafted????
 
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StoVol said:
Foster was so great here he went undrafted
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Good point. He had his pros and his cons. I figured the only reason a team would take a chance on him, was for his pass blocking and for his ability to catch out of the backfield. His vision and speed seemed to have gotten better, once he reached the pros.
 
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If Foster leaves following his RS JR year, he gets drafted.

He stuck around and his stock crashed along with the team's ability to move the ball in the Clawffense.

and bc Arian was never a 4.4 guy, he could not over come the injuries and bad senior yr.

His vision has not gotten better, its always been outstanding.

and Foster is and never will be a fast. it is why his instincts and vision are so supremely better than everyone else's. No one presses the hole and creates lanes like he always could. it is his greatest gift
 
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I4Jay said:
If Foster leaves following his RS JR year, he gets drafted.

He stuck around and his stock crashed along with the team's ability to move the ball in the Clawffense.

and bc Arian was never a 4.4 guy, he could not over come the injuries and bad senior yr.

His vision has not gotten better, its always been outstanding.

and Foster is and never will be a fast. it is why his instincts and vision are so supremely better than everyone else's. No one presses the hole and creates lanes like he always could. it is his greatest gift
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Didn't say he was fast. Just said he is faster now, then he was in college.
 
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Drake59 said:
Good point. He had his pros and his cons. I figured the only reason a team would take a chance on him, was for his pass blocking and for his ability to catch out of the backfield. His vision and speed seemed to have gotten better, once he reached the pros.
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You could see he was a good back, I was at 3 of the games where his fumble cost us a victory. You could tell he had talent. I was surprised he didn't go in the late rounds.

Those saying they saw the all pro in him are just revisionist historians IMO . Man had some issues. He worked em out. More power to him.
 
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sjt18 said:
No. That's not what I said. Not even close. He needs the 6 he should win then an upset. That's 7. He then needs to win a bowl. That's 8.

Why? I have explained that ad nauseum. If you don't think a 6 win season followed by what is likely to a worse '14 will have Jones on a hot seat in year 3 then you are simply deluding yourself.
If he is an above average coach then he can win games with this roster. If he's not then he is not the coach that UT needs.

I'm not saying he's a failure if he doesn't win in year one. I am saying that if he can't win with this roster then he will struoggle with the next two... and that will get him fired.
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based on what
 
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Just got the word, here's the deal we are gettin a nice commitment at half time ow game. After this happens 2 more follow within a months time. I'm not an insider however.. Feelin confident here.
 
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The Breakerboy said:
What back would you take? RS Freshman Foster who punished teams in a backup role or any RB on UT's roster? Guy you don't know football at all. To call these guys more talented "RBs" is crazy. Neal is a better raw athlete but not a better runner. But I guess you have a stat for that. Foster was up for draft consideration after his junior year. What has either of these backs done to make you think they'll get drafted????
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The BreakerBoy Internet Dictionary defines "Guy" --Noun- an internet fool; an uninformed sometimes truly football ignorant poster that remains steadfastly adamant in regards to their baseless opinion despite knowledgeable posters statements


:) :hi:
 
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VolsDoc81TX said:
The BreakerBoy Internet Dictionary defines "Guy" --Noun- an internet fool; an uninformed sometimes truly football ignorant poster that remains steadfastly adamant in regards to their baseless opinion despite knowledgeable posters statements


:) :hi:
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No :lol: Guy= undefined, :lol:
 
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