Jay Graham has left Tennessee to go to FSU

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utvols88 said:
Lol. Like its 100% fact. Has it been confirmed by a recruit. Please show me the link. Fourth hand info isn't good enough. It's sad that people assume color even matters.

I also don't care if Alabama and Ohio are "fertile" recruiting grounds. You're simply making assumptions that have no support when giving it a reason to justify your outrage.

You're black and not racist? Lol ok. Don't see how that is relevant. I'm not sure if I should take it as you calling me racist or not. Perhaps I'll just ignore such a sophomoric statement.
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I agree with because OSU and UA are recruiting well because they both have proven HC and are both winning. Nothing more to be honest. Little things like facility, campus, and what color a coach is has very little value if the team is winning and the staff can get players to the league.

Now for schools not in that situation yes those little things start to add up. But before Saban AL was not a recruit juggernaut and like many states the talent comes and go, unless we are talking about GA and FL who always have talent.

BTW Croom would be an great addition to any staff on and off the field.
 
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UTMark said:
Exactly what Ainge just said. If Jay didn't want to work hard, the best thing he could do for us is leave.
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I disagree recruiting for FSU is less work. What ever FL team is on top they get who they want and the other two fight hard. UF is on top and FSU and Miami will have to work very hard for the instate kids. Also recruiting the same are as every other SEC team will not be easy when 8 out of every 10 recruit seems to want to play in the SEC right now.

FSU might have an easier road on the field but off the field I think it is harder than most SEC team to deal with.

In regards to Graham I think a few hit it on the nose. That Jones wants his people and if you do not buy 100% into his program hit the road. Plain and simple.
 
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TideWarrior said:
BTW Croom would be an great addition to any staff on and off the field.
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I don't have nice things to say about many Bama people, but Croom I do. He is a class act and has always done things the way they should be done. Couldn't have been a bigger contrast between him and Jackie Sherrill.
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TideWarrior said:
I disagree recruiting for FSU is less work. What ever FL team is on top they get who they want and the other two fight hard. UF is on top and FSU and Miami will have to work very hard for the instate kids. Also recruiting the same are as every other SEC team will not be easy when 8 out of every 10 recruit seems to want to play in the SEC right now.

FSU might have an easier road on the field but off the field I think it is harder than most SEC team to deal with.

In regards to Graham I think a few hit it on the nose. That Jones wants his people and if you do not buy 100% into his program hit the road. Plain and simple.
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First, they have more instate talent. Law of averages say that some of those instate kids are just waiting on the offer which means you're fighting for less kids after getting the low hanging fruit.

Second, FSU plays in ACC. That's easier.

Third, FSU has already gone through their coaching change so it is smoother sailing than UT right now.

Fourth, and this is speculation, Jimbo may let you have more family time and actually put in less time than Butch. It had been pretty apparent that CBJ hasn't slept much since he got here and maybe he expects the same from his assistants. I would think Spurrier wasn't that kind of coach and I'm certain Dooley wasn't either.

So, FSU is easier than UT.
 
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UTMark said:
First, they have more instate talent. Law of averages say that some of those instate kids are just waiting on the offer which means you're fighting for less kids after getting the low hanging fruit.

Second, FSU plays in ACC. That's easier.

Third, FSU has already gone through their coaching change so it is smoother sailing than UT right now.

Fourth, and this is speculation, Jimbo may let you have more family time and actually put in less time than Butch. It had been pretty apparent that CBJ hasn't slept much since he got here and maybe he expects the same from his assistants. I would think Spurrier wasn't that kind of coach and I'm certain Dooley wasn't either.

So, FSU is easier than UT.
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Seems legit
 
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UTMark said:
First, they have more instate talent. Law of averages say that some of those instate kids are just waiting on the offer which means you're fighting for less kids after getting the low hanging fruit.

Second, FSU plays in ACC. That's easier.

Third, FSU has already gone through their coaching change so it is smoother sailing than UT right now.

Fourth, and this is speculation, Jimbo may let you have more family time and actually put in less time than Butch. It had been pretty apparent that CBJ hasn't slept much since he got here and maybe he expects the same from his assistants. I would think Spurrier wasn't that kind of coach and I'm certain Dooley wasn't either.

So, FSU is easier than UT.
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Apparently, I'm an idiot for saying FSU is easier to lure recruits. You have less ACC competition, unlike the SEC. It's Florida one of the top states in regards to talent. You do not have to work as hard. You don't need the top talent either to win in the ACC.
 
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Yup. Its not like they have to fight off just Vandy. Its big boy recruiting in that State.He wasn't comfortable, and didn't wanna be here
 
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I4Jay said:
recruiting in the state of florida is hard work.
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Recruiting is hard work anywhere. The key is what is required by the HC as far as office hours. One HC might allow his staff to leave the office at 5pm to go home and spend time with family and making calls with recruits from home. Other HCs expect all that work to be done from the office every night. That's the difference
 
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Recruiting money spent in 2012 by FSU-525,000. At Tennessee it was over 1.3 million. When you can do most of your recruiting in your own state, of course it is alot easier. Not only on the coaches, but their families as well. ALOT more time spent on the road as a coach recruiting for the Vols.
 
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Like everyone else I am shocked and saddened about CJG leaving, but I am one to wait for the real facts to come out before blaming CBJ. I have read where CBJ tried to renegotiate CJG contract. But I believe he couldn't match it because of our money problems we have right now because of the past two HC's and their buy outs. And we all do know the battle Hart is having with Cheek and getting more money. I like many others believe that there's more to this than any of us know and I don't believe its all on CBJ. But I'm sure it will slowly start coming out what really happen. I really don't get those who are bashing CJ before we really know the facts.
 
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Orange Studs said:
Like everyone else I am shocked and saddened about CJG leaving, but I am one to wait for the real facts to come out before blaming CBJ. I have read where CBJ tried to renegotiate CJG contract. But I believe he couldn't match it because of our money problems we have right now because of the past two HC's and their buy outs. And we all do know the battle Hart is having with Cheek and getting more money. I like many others believe that there's more to this than any of us know and I don't believe its all on CBJ. But I'm sure it will slowly start coming out what really happen. I really don't get those who are bashing CJ before we really know the facts.
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This wasn't CBJ's fault, Graham didn't want to be at UT anymore. FSU's offer was matched and he still left. Hubbs has said it wasn't about money, Graham didn't feel comfortable as the only holdover on staff, all the other coaches know each other and he felt like an outsider.

Erik Ainge has painted a picture today on his radio show that Graham was kind of a baby about it and didn't really want to work as hard as Butch demands from his staff.
 
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This is a hard one to read. Jones understands that the road to the top is as much about over-acheiving as it is about SEC recruiting. There is a part of me that thinks he will be able to break the paradigm but obviously this requires exceptional performance. I give him credit for the vision. The days of Alabama rotating 4 sets of RBs in the wishbone are over. The 90s are over. Having an old school SEC savy staff on the Hill are over. I am ready to see what a Jones coached team can do.
 
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Ron Swanson said:
This wasn't CBJ's fault, Graham didn't want to be at UT anymore. FSU's offer was matched and he still left. Hubbs has said it wasn't about money, Graham didn't feel comfortable as the only holdover on staff, all the other coaches know each other and he felt like an outsider.

Erik Ainge has painted a picture today on his radio show that Graham was kind of a baby about it and didn't really want to work as hard as Butch demands from his staff.
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I will almost always support a former player but UT Football requires some long hours and a lot of hard work to get it back where it belongs. If CJG didn't want to put in the time or the work to get his alma mater back to the top then you shake his hand and see him out the door. I just hope he didn't burn to many bridges on his way out of K-Ville. :salute:
 
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Ron Swanson said:
This wasn't CBJ's fault, Graham didn't want to be at UT anymore. FSU's offer was matched and he still left. Hubbs has said it wasn't about money, Graham didn't feel comfortable as the only holdover on staff, all the other coaches know each other and he felt like an outsider.

Erik Ainge has painted a picture today on his radio show that Graham was kind of a baby about it and didn't really want to work as hard as Butch demands from his staff.
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Thanks Ron. That explains a lot. That is the point I was trying to make about people jumping all over CBJ before knowing the whole story. But thanks Ron for the info makes a lot of sense.
 
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Ron Swanson said:
This wasn't CBJ's fault, Graham didn't want to be at UT anymore. FSU's offer was matched and he still left. Hubbs has said it wasn't about money, Graham didn't feel comfortable as the only holdover on staff, all the other coaches know each other and he felt like an outsider.

Erik Ainge has painted a picture today on his radio show that Graham was kind of a baby about it and didn't really want to work as hard as Butch demands from his staff.
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So he won't feel like an outsider going to coach with a new staff? Who is he pals with at FSU?
 
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utvols88 said:
Lol. Like its 100% fact. Has it been confirmed by a recruit. Please show me the link. Fourth hand info isn't good enough. It's sad that people assume color even matters.

I also don't care if Alabama and Ohio are "fertile" recruiting grounds. You're simply making assumptions that have no support when giving it a reason to justify your outrage.

You're black and not racist? Lol ok. Don't see how that is relevant. I'm not sure if I should take it as you calling me racist or not. Perhaps I'll just ignore such a sophomoric statement.
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No I'm not calling you a racist. And my comment about me not being a racist was simply to state that racism plays no part in my opinion.

My point is that I feel cultural differences make it important for racial diversity amongst the staff.
 
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