The Bruce Pearl Thread

Would you be for Bruce Pearl's return if Martin is fired after next year?

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Jonboy said:
I become more convinced every day we should have just stuck with Pearl and rode out the punishment. Not like we've been making the NCAA Tourney anyway.
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If it was a one or two year showcause maybe you think about it, but it was just too long. Also, what you're forgetting is the recruiting sanctions that've set us back. They weren't allowed off campus to recruit, we'd have been set back years in recruiting with sanctions that they'd have hit us with.
 
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Jonboy said:
I become more convinced every day we should have just stuck with Pearl and rode out the punishment. Not like we've been making the NCAA Tourney anyway.
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Could have never happened. The NCAA would have completely carpet bombed our basketball program.

You don't lie to the NCAA. Period. They would've crippled the program if we tried to keep Pearl. People need to understand that.
 
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Jonboy said:
I become more convinced every day we should have just stuck with Pearl and rode out the punishment. Not like we've been making the NCAA Tourney anyway.
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Do that and you end up with an entire roster of Skylar McBees due to recruiting bans/restrictions.
 
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johnnybravo said:
The funniest thing about everyone that criticizes Pearl for being such a liar and cheat is that if he didn't man up and admit to the NCAA that he lied to them and just kept to his story of "he didn't know" then it probably doesn't get escalated to as big as it did and he may still be coaching today. His "biggest" mistake was probably admitting that he lied.
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His biggest mistake was lying to the NCAA. He didn't "man up" until it was crystal clear he was guilty (i.e. they knew he lied) and by then it was a last ditch effort to save his own butt.

I liked Pearl and appreciate what he did but saying his biggest mistake was admitting he lied is stupid. If he had told the truth from the beginning, he'd still be coach.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
The evidence is crystal clear; Pearl knew the NCAA knew he had lied. This has been established fact for a while now.
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There is no evidence or fact known here on volnation.....none of us were there and its just our opinion of how things went down.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
His biggest mistake was lying to the NCAA. He didn't "man up" until it was crystal clear he was guilty (i.e. they knew he lied) and by then it was a last ditch effort to save his own butt.

I liked Pearl and appreciate what he did but saying his biggest mistake was admitting he lied is stupid. If he had told the truth from the beginning, he'd still be coach.
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All I was saying is that if Pearl didn't go back and tell the truth, then the funny thing is that he might still be coaching. It wouldn't have gotten worse for him if he stuck to the story "I don't remember". Not telling the truth in the first place of course was the big mistake. Going back and telling the NCAA that he had lied to them did him no good and he probably would have been better off if he just let things play out after he did.

So my point again is that everybody is crucifying him for lying, but Pearl going back and telling the truth probably cost him more than the lie itself.
 
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johnnybravo said:
All I was saying is that if Pearl didn't go back and tell the truth, then the funny thing is that he might still be coaching. It wouldn't have gotten worse for him if he stuck to the story "I don't remember". Not telling the truth in the first place of course was the big mistake. Going back and telling the NCAA that he had lied to them did him no good and he probably would have been better off if he just let things play out after he did.

So my point again is that everybody is crucifying him for lying, but Pearl going back and telling the truth probably cost him more than the lie itself.
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And I'm saying you're wrong. By the time Pearl "went back and told the truth", the NCAA already knew he lied. If he had stuck to his story, things would have likely been worse.

Pearl "coming clean" at that point is the same as a kid who screwed up and lied to their parents, and then is confronted by the parents and they KNOW the parents know they lied. You either "come clean" and take your whipping that you know you're getting, or you continue to lie and things will get even worse.

People crucify Pearl because had he just come clean at the start, he'd still be coaching. I'm not going to martyr someone who admitted their wrong after it was clear he had lied and was mostly trying to save their own butt. Pearl made one stupid decision after another and it cost him.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
And I'm saying you're wrong. By the time Pearl "went back and told the truth", the NCAA already knew he lied. If he had stuck to his story, things would have likely been worse.

Pearl "coming clean" at that point is the same as a kid who screwed up and lied to their parents, and then is confronted by the parents and they KNOW the parents know they lied. You either "come clean" and take your whipping that you know you're getting, or you continue to lie and things will get even worse.

People crucify Pearl because had he just come clean at the start, he'd still be coaching. I'm not going to martyr someone who admitted their wrong after it was clear he had lied and was mostly trying to save their own butt. Pearl made one stupid decision after another and it cost him.
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Not sure how you can say it would have got worse. Pearl's showcause wouldn't have been worse. It's possible that the NCAA didn't have enough information to be convinced that Pearl completely lied. His assistance were "charged" with not being forthcoming. They were not "charged" with lying. Hell Pearl is a salesman, he could have possibly sold the "I don't remember" story to some degree and the penalties not been as bad. If the NCAA had overwhelming evidence that Pearl lied without Pearl admitting to it, then UT at that point fires Pearl on the spot and doesn't keep him around a whole season. That probably would have been better for the program than where we are now.
 
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johnnybravo said:
Not sure how you can say it would have got worse. Pearl's showcause wouldn't have been worse. It's possible that the NCAA didn't have enough information to be convinced that Pearl completely lied. His assistance were "charged" with not being forthcoming. They were not "charged" with lying. Hell Pearl is a salesman, he could have possibly sold the "I don't remember" story to some degree and the penalties not been as bad. If the NCAA had overwhelming evidence that Pearl lied without Pearl admitting to it, then UT at that point fires Pearl on the spot and doesn't keep him around a whold season. That probably would have been better for the program than where we are now.
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You forget the idiot running the AD at the time.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
You forget the idiot running the AD at the time.
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The idiot was part to blame IMO, but he still would have had to fired him on the spot and the program would probably be in better shape today. Going back and telling the NCAA that he had lied did absolutely no good at all. He should have let the cards fall as they lay.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
An opinion based on the facts of the situation, and one that makes a lot more sense than Pearl suddenly having a change of heart and deciding to "do the right thing".
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He could.have went home after it first happened thinking ......I was so stupid, can't believe I did that....called.back to set it right.......if he was all bent on lying why not continue lying. It don't really matter but stop trying to state your opinion as fact.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
If it was a one or two year showcause maybe you think about it, but it was just too long. Also, what you're forgetting is the recruiting sanctions that've set us back. They weren't allowed off campus to recruit, we'd have been set back years in recruiting with sanctions that they'd have hit us with.
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All true and of course hindsight is 20/20. We'll never know what Pearl could or couldn't have done with the talent he had, the sanctions, etc.

Only thing we can compare that to is how many years we're getting set back now under the current staff. We've already had one disappointing NIT run last year and it's looking like we're NIT-boung again this year. So even if we'd had Pear and the sanctions, could we really be in a worse spot as far as competing and making NCAAs? I'm not so sure.

I love Martin. I love his character. I love his commitment to teaching these boys to become men. I'm just starting to think he's in over his head as a coach. Still hoping I'm wrong.
 
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I like Martin as a coach of character as well but this is getting us NOWHERE. We need a coach in several sports at UT right now that can coach the game also. Just like Dooley, Martin both you hear that they coach great character and cleaned the program up. No I am not saying we need someone to let things get bad but we need a coach that is going to light a fire and make these kids perform at anywhere close to 100%. It is not happening and just like in football we might be in trouble if we do not stop the bleeding. Running out of transfusions here people. We need more than a band-aid!
 
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I sure miss Pearl. Martin just does not bring any excitement to the program like Pearl did. Not to mention Martin's team isn't doing well. Sure wish Pearl didn't screw up a good thing.
 
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