'13 VA RB Derrick Green (Michigan commit)

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SCtiger said:
Sorry about that. Article comes from asshat Farrell so take it for what its worth.
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No big deal, only raining on the parade of our two biggest wants and needs in this class today haha

Honestly tho, it is probably a good idea that we reel in the expectations a little, Green and Lawson both are by no means locks and will be a fight till the end.
 
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SCtiger said:
Sorry about that. Article comes from asshat Farrell so take it for what its worth.
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Farrell seems to have been calling Green to Michigan for months now.....and maybe he has info the rest of us do not but, correct me if I'm wrong, Green hasn't tipped his hat to anyone yet.
 
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Orange&White said:
The dude seems as if he really likes what Michigan is selling him. Was on 247 today and they have the players twitter feed on the side of the page and it's all Michigan stuff, not a single UT thing. I won't let a players social media life effect what I believe on a player but with him retweeting Michigan fans and stuff it worries me a little.
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So did Danny O'Brien. :good!:
 
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Mike4Vols said:
Man, you're a big ray of sunshine.

Do you mean 'any freshman' like ... maybe ... Johnny Manziel? My only point is it's possible. This time last year, nobody thought Manziel could win it either.

You need to lighten up dude...
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Sorry for replying to you quoting me and if it hurt your feelings.
 
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rekinhavoc said:
I am trying to recall if there are any Michigan running backs in the NFL that are starters / stars.
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There's not, I don't believe. But, y'all are putting way too much emphasis on being a "starting RB in the SEC." If you're good enough, you'll make it to the NFL regardless of the league you played in during college.

For example, Matt Forte, Doug Martin, Adrian Peterson, Marshawn Lynch, Ray Rice, LeSean McCoy, DeMarco Murray, Frank Gore, CJ Spiller, and Alfred Morris are just names off the top of my head that are NFL starters that did not attend an SEC school.
 
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LynxVol said:
There's not, I don't believe. But, y'all are putting way too much emphasis on being a "starting RB in the SEC." If you're good enough, you'll make it to the NFL regardless of the league you played in during college.

For example, Matt Forte, Doug Martin, Adrian Peterson, Marshawn Lynch, Ray Rice, LeSean McCoy, DeMarco Murray, Frank Gore, CJ Spiller, and Alfred Morris are just names off the top of my head that are NFL starters that did not attend an SEC school.
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Or just be Bryce Brown. Play for no one and still make it to the NFL.
 
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I think he will pick the vols. Distance and his mom on our side. Early playing time behind a great offensive line.
 
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Wilson27 said:
The o-line should sway him. Don't know much about Michigan o-line but they can't be better than what we will have next year.
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yeah but we lose fulton, james stone, bullard next year and probbaly Tiny to the draft and Jackson as an outside shot to the draft.

After next year, our line doesnt look too impressive
 
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LynxVol said:
There's not, I don't believe. But, y'all are putting way too much emphasis on being a "starting RB in the SEC." If you're good enough, you'll make it to the NFL regardless of the league you played in during college.

For example, Matt Forte, Doug Martin, Adrian Peterson, Marshawn Lynch, Ray Rice, LeSean McCoy, DeMarco Murray, Frank Gore, CJ Spiller, and Alfred Morris are just names off the top of my head that are NFL starters that did not attend an SEC school.
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I understand about not having to be a SEC back to make it to the NFL. But, how many an individual school develops would matter. If Michi has none and Ohio State had 6 recently, I would think O state would be where a RB would want to go. So being SEC doesn't matter as much as the 0 RB's for a particular school.
 
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johncimino19 said:
yeah but we lose fulton, james stone, bullard next year and probbaly Tiny to the draft and Jackson as an outside shot to the draft.

After next year, our line doesnt look too impressive
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True but here is where I rely on 18 year olds not seeing out that far! :)
 
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JacketVol said:
I understand about not having to be a SEC back to make it to the NFL. But, how many an individual school develops would matter. If Michi has none and Ohio State had 6 recently, I would think O state would be where a RB would want to go. So being SEC doesn't matter as much as the 0 RB's for a particular school.
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Agreed. Last Michigan back I remember is hart and he hasn't done much. Before him was Perry who was a bust. At least we have foster, hardesty, poole all on NFL rosters doing ok.
 
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Michigan has had some surprisingly average RB recruiting the last four years. I wasn’t expecting that.
 
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Not trying to be a downer; honest question. What am I missing with this guy? He doesn't seem particularly elusive and his sub-4.4 40 time looks exaggerated to me. He has power and he looks the part physically, but after watching the highlight tape I'm a bit surprised he's considered a 5* on some services.

I'm no scout, so I'm sure there's something that I'm missing. What do you see that tells you he'll be a great back at the SEC level?
 
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Atzar said:
Not trying to be a downer; honest question. What am I missing with this guy? He doesn't seem particularly elusive and his sub-4.4 40 time looks exaggerated to me. He has power and he looks the part physically, but after watching the highlight tape I'm a bit surprised he's considered a 5* on some services.

I'm no scout, so I'm sure there's something that I'm missing. What do you see that tells you he'll be a great back at the SEC level?
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I watched the Barber, Green and Kamara films. I like Kamara, Barber and Green in that order.

It could be the competition level for Barber, but I loved his agility and vision. He's big, but smooth.

Kamara is elusive and can cut in any direction on a dime.

Green finds the whole and runs straight through it with top acceleration and speed (scary to try to tackle someone that large coming at you that fast!) He would thrive at Georgia Tech as the "B" back!

They are all 3 excellent backs and I would be tickled to see any one of the three at Tennessee.
 
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Atzar said:
Not trying to be a downer; honest question. What am I missing with this guy? He doesn't seem particularly elusive and his sub-4.4 40 time looks exaggerated to me. He has power and he looks the part physically, but after watching the highlight tape I'm a bit surprised he's considered a 5* on some services.

I'm no scout, so I'm sure there's something that I'm missing. What do you see that tells you he'll be a great back at the SEC level?
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He has power, balance, and vision. Just look at Lattimore...not a blazer and not the most shifty guy but he was the best RB in the SEC because he had power, balance, and vision. Another good example would be Arian Foster. Which is who Green kind of reminds me of.
 
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catchnburn said:
I watched the Barber, Green and Kamara films. I like Kamara, Barber and Green in that order.

It could be the competition level for Barber, but I loved his agility and vision. He's big, but smooth.

Kamara is elusive and can cut in any direction on a dime.

Green finds the whole and runs straight through it with top acceleration and speed (scary to try to tackle someone that large coming at you that fast!) He would thrive at Georgia Tech as the "B" back!

They are all 3 excellent backs and I would be tickled to see any one of the three at Tennessee.
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In a perfect world Jones would have three distinct backs. One a waterbug scatback who is blindingly fast and elusive another who is a North-South hammer who other players get sick of tackling, and a third who can run and catch and block and do everything very well. They are looking at Jojo Kemp as that waterbug type, and Barber and Green as the hammer, and somebody like Kamara as that all-around back.

It’s my opinion that Neal is capable of handling a rather large scatback role for a year, while Lane can be the all-around back. I’d love to see Green as the hammer here.

Something else about Jones’ offense is that they use the same playbook, only the different types of back change the complexion of the plays. A screen pass with a 4.3 40 170-pounder is a completely different play than a screen pass with a 220-pounder, even though they are called and executed with the same mechanics.
 
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d3ft punk said:
In a perfect world Jones would have three distinct backs. One a waterbug scatback who is blindingly fast and elusive another who is a North-South hammer who other players get sick of tackling, and a third who can run and catch and block and do everything very well. They are looking at Jojo Kemp as that waterbug type, and Barber and Green as the hammer, and somebody like Kamara as that all-around back.

It’s my opinion that Neal is capable of handling a rather large scatback role for a year, while Lane can be the all-around back. I’d love to see Green as the hammer here.

Something else about Jones’ offense is that they use the same playbook, only the different types of back change the complexion of the plays. A screen pass with a 4.3 40 170-pounder is a completely different play than a screen pass with a 220-pounder, even though they are called and executed with the same mechanics.
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Neal is more of an all-around back than anyone on the team IMO. He's got the size/strength to run between the tackles, he's also one of the fastest guys on the team, and he has good hands out of the backfield (as evidenced by his time playing in the slot a couple seasons ago). He needs to stop trying to bounce it outside so much but he got better at hitting the hole and taking what was there as the season progressed. And after another offseason to learn under coach Graham I think he will be even better at that next year. I think he's got the potential to be an excellent back for us and I'm excited to see how much he and Lane progress over the offseason bc I think they can be a very good combo.
 
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Phat-Phil said:
He has power, balance, and vision. Just look at Lattimore...not a blazer and not the most shifty guy but he was the best RB in the SEC because he had power, balance, and vision. Another good example would be Arian Foster. Which is who Green kind of reminds me of.
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Reminds exactly of what people said about tj yeldon last year
 
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Before he commits to UM, Momma needs to make him take a visit to Ann Arbor in January just to see how bleak and dark that place is in the winter time.
 
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Phat-Phil said:
He has power, balance, and vision. Just look at Lattimore...not a blazer and not the most shifty guy but he was the best RB in the SEC because he had power, balance, and vision. Another good example would be Arian Foster. Which is who Green kind of reminds me of.
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This. The kid just has all the tools. To go with his power, balance and vision, he has great speed for his size. This kid's going to be really good and, IMO, could be totally wrong, but will be even better in the NFL.
 
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