Do you like coaches who lose to less talented teams?

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Because that's what you're getting in Jimbo Fisher or Mike Gundy.

Fisher
2010 lost to North Carolina (Dooley nearly beat these guys)
2011 lost to Wake Forest & Virginia
2012 lost to NC State

Gundy
2007 lost to Troy
2009 lost to Houston
2011 lost to Iowa State
2012 lost to Arizona

...not saying they are bad coaches, but their tendency to lose games where they should have a clear talent advantage makes me wonder how much they could win here.
 
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Dooley lost to kentucky, and for me 'where i was born and grew up' u can't get any worse. So gundy or fisher would be an upgrade
 
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joevol33 said:
Dooley lost to kentucky, and for me 'where i was born and grew up' u can't get any worse. So gundy or fisher would be an upgrade
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Well, if that's your only criteria for a head coach, then I guess you can rest easy. I don't think that even if it were Hart's goal, he could actually find and hire a worse coach than Dooley.
 
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I would like to see the list of coaches who haven't lost to a team they should have beaten . Do u have that list? I can assure you its a short list.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
OP, exactly who is this perfect coach you want?
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Exactly, every single coach out there has lost to less talented teams and even Saban did it more than once.

After reading some of the threads that have been popping up recently I'm just gonna call it a day on this specific sub-forum until we hire a new coach. i'm also gonna hope that our AD don't think like many of these posters on here because either we just won't hire a coach because none meet these qualifications or were gonna end up with a coach that will have us serving the death penalty within a couple of years because he believes the NCAA should change the rules not that coaches should have to actually follow them and be held accountable when they don't.
 
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BruinVol said:
Every time Saban losses it happens. Unless he goes undefeated every year he doesn't fit your criteria
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True. But are you really expecting Fisher and/or Gundy to suddenly recruit to Saban's level? If so, then it's a valid point for our discussion.
 
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oregonvol said:
True. But are you really expecting Fisher and/or Gundy to suddenly recruit to Saban's level? If so, then it's a valid point for our discussion.
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Then please inform the rest of us. Who exactly is out there who WILL recruit to Saban's level, that we have a realistic shot at getting?
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MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
Then please inform the rest of us. Who exactly is out there who WILL recruit to Saban's level, that we have a realistic shot at getting?
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Well, Gruden would have, but it looks like Hart botched that one.

I don't think anyone else is going to out-recruit Saban right now. What I think you're looking for is someone who can challenge him regularly in recruiting, like Muschamp and Richt are doing. You need to get back to top ten classes. Maybe Fisher or Gundy could do this. I don't know.

But what you also need is a coach with a system that gets the most out of his players and who can really coach them up. This is where I really worry about both Gundy and Fisher. They aren't losing to 10 win teams with less talent (like Saban). They're losing to 6 or 7 win teams. Teams without alot less talent (and they're losing to the 10 win teams too). And they do it just about every year. That's a red flag in my estimation. I would wish that we would at least go after someone like Petersen or Patterson, someone who has shown that he can really coach up players to beat teams with way more talent, and make them turn down a 5-6 million dollar salary, before I start considering bringing in these guys.
 
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oregonvol said:
Well, Gruden would have, but it looks like Hart botched that one.

I don't think anyone else is going to out-recruit Saban right now. What I think you're looking for is someone who can challenge him regularly in recruiting, like Muschamp and Richt are doing. You need to get back to top ten classes. Maybe Fisher or Gundy could do this. I don't know.

But what you also need is a coach with a system that gets the most out of his players and who can really coach them up. This is where I really worry about both Gundy and Fisher. They aren't losing to 10 win teams with less talent (like Saban). They're losing to 6 or 7 win teams. Teams without alot less talent (and they're losing to the 10 win teams too). And they do it just about every year. That's a red flag in my estimation. I would wish that we would at least go after someone like Petersen or Patterson, someone who has shown that he can really coach up players to beat teams with way more talent, and make them turn down a 5-6 million dollar salary, before I start considering bringing in these guys.
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Muschamp and Richt are challenging him because they are having success and have a fertile recruiting ground in there home states we have had neither. With w's the recruiting will come together. Not sayin recruiting isn't important just sayin winning makes recruiting easier and we haven't done that.
 
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oregonvol said:
Because that's what you're getting in Jimbo Fisher or Mike Gundy.

Fisher
2010 lost to North Carolina (Dooley nearly beat these guys)
2011 lost to Wake Forest & Virginia
2012 lost to NC State

Gundy
2007 lost to Troy
2009 lost to Houston
2011 lost to Iowa State
2012 lost to Arizona

...not saying they are bad coaches, but their tendency to lose games where they should have a clear talent advantage makes me wonder how much they could win here.
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I chalk it up to playing in leagues where you get complacent in the competition you go up against week in and week out. Look at the SEC from top to bottom every team is dangerous in their own way (except maybe Kentucky), rarely does any SEC school drop an OOC game, I'd love to run the numbers but frankly I'm a bit lazy but I'd be willing to bet good money on the SEC's OOC record this year being anything but way above .500. That's a testament to the type of competition this league offers, it forces you to play at a high level, you cannot afford to take a week off in the SEC, but in the ACC or Big East, when you are staring down the barrel of a schedule that includes Maryland, Syracuse, Boston College or UConn, it's ompletely reasonable that players and coaches just decide they can take a week off. I'm not saying that these guys don't have flaws as coaches but they have both built or maintained programs playing at a level that any of us would envy at UT right now.
 
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Love em. That's all we have had for the past three years and I fully expect Hart to hire another one!
 
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I have started a few idiotic threads, but I must say, this is the dumbest thread I can recall in a long time. Good job?
 
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