Recruiting Forum: Football Talk II

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Ron Swanson said:
So Hubbs and Hyams didn't know about this meeting until after it was cancelled? Doesn't it seem strange that this is the very first time anything has leaked to Hubbs about Gruden to UT?

I'm not buying it. Hart is playing this PR game masterfully. Pretty soon he's going to come in to save the day and "change Gruden's mind". Book it.
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Its possible Hart has been trying to get some answers from Cheek about academics and other questions a coach will be asking. And like ive said all along, if Gruden wants Saban type control if he were the head coach, its not happening here. people will try and blame Hart for that, but its out of his hands atm. Maybe Hart called gruden and said here are the answers i got from Cheek and Gruden said thx but no thx. I really dont know, was pretty sure they didnt meet last night like some said.
 
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The only way I think Hart hires Al Golden is if he just totally blows him away in the interview. Looking at what he has done at Temple it is impressive but then you look at Miami and I know they have a bunch of crap going on here but it is THE U. You should still be able to win 9 games a year and pull some top guys.
 
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Per Shannon Sharp lol he's as good a source as any

@ShannonSharpe: Gruden 70 % college.Billick not really sure. RT @Turtle84 @ShannonSharpe any chance gruden or billick is coaching in SD next year?
 
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Crookruss said:
I'm not. At worst it means we are moving on to the many other qualified coaches not named Gruden. If it isn't going to work I'd rather move on than be held hostage. Not that I can say either is the case with any certainty.
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Agree wholeheartedly. It's time to get out there and get the best possible coach not named Gruden. If Miles ever did leave LSU, I'd be very annoyed that UT would then be the #2 vacancy (same concern if C. Kelly left Oregon)
 
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skeeter33418 said:
Its possible Hart has been trying to get some answers from Cheek about academics and other questions a coach will be asking. And like ive said all along, if Gruden wants Saban type control if he were the head coach, its not happening here. people will try and blame Hart for that, but its out of his hands atm. Maybe Hart called gruden and said here are the answers i got from Cheek and Gruden said thx but no thx. I really dont know, was pretty sure they didnt meet last night like some said.
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Please excuse my ignorance but what kind of academic control are we talking about here?

What control does Saban currently enjoy that Gruden would be denied?
 
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PKT_VOL said:
Please excuse my ignorance but what kind of academic control are we talking about here?

What control does Saban currently enjoy that Gruden would be denied?
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Obviously not Skeet, but might be talking about the Thornton Center. Currently, the academic administration is in control of the center, instead of athletics dept.
 
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volprof said:
Obviously not Skeet, but might be talking about the Thornton Center. Currently, the academic administration is in control of the center, instead of athletics dept.
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More likely talking about kids with bad grades being let in anyway.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
Please excuse my ignorance but what kind of academic control are we talking about here?

What control does Saban currently enjoy that Gruden would be denied?
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Saban pretty much has complete control. When Dooley found out a player was having academic issues, it was usually to late. the coaches at Tennessee are kept out of the loop when it comes to tutoring and things like that. Susan Martin needs to go away, she hates football and seems like she hates most athletes in general. Also at other sec schools athletes get to take some classes that are no longer available for our athletes, im not going to spell that out any further. Hart is trying to get the issues fixed and some big time boosters are helping him too, but it will take some time.
 
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skeeter33418 said:
Saban pretty much has complete control. When Dooley found out a player was having academic issues, it was usually to late. the coaches at Tennessee are kept out of the loop when it comes to tutoring and things like that. Susan Martin needs to go away, she hates football and seems like she hates most athletes in general. Also at other sec schools athletes get to take some classes that are no longer available for our athletes, im not going to spell that out any further. Hart is trying to get the issues fixed and some big time boosters are helping him too, but it will take some time.
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Bring on Ballroom dancing 101(a la USC):eek:lol:
 
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Golden should not be on the list what a freaking joke!!!! I don't care what anybody says we can have anybody on that original list besides maybe bob stoops but money talks with him also! hart better not mes this hire up we can't go through 3 bad hires!!!! Explain something to me boosters say they want gruden and think they can get him, then what in the world is hart waiting on? Because I get the feeling hart doesn't want gruden ? I feel he wants fisher!!!! I just don't understand why this is so difficult hey Jon what do you want? Ok done end of story
 
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ORANGE & WHITE said:
UT football has been a cluster f for several years. I don't know why I'm surprised they are screwing this up too. Sometimes it stings being a Vol.
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I'm already disappointed in Hart. He's let this go long enough that recruits are hoping for Gruden. If Gruden doesn't happen, even if we get an amazing hire, recruits and fans will be disappointed. Horrible PR job UNLESS Gruden is 100% locked up. If that's the case, I'll eat crow about calling Hart disappointing.
 
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Most of all of your angst is between your ears. There is not one piece of solid info that states that Gruden will or will not come here. The second in between the ears angst is most of you have set up that if Gruden doesn't come, then it's a colossal failure. There are other good coaches. Maybe not as exciting, but very, very good hires none the less. Fisher, Gundy, Patterson, Fedora, Strong, and,imo, Golden (in that order) would be very good hires. Guys that have had success at least at one place making players better and upping the talent base and all those places are not as good as UT. This is not all or nothing.
 
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