Official Jon Gruden Thread XI

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#704
Lexvol said:
Here is what I've heard:

1. An agreement was reached two weeks ago (heard the exact same thing from Haslem camp...exact)
2. From the beginning Gruden wanted distance between the fire and the hire. (Precisely matches up withy Haslem connection)
3. There are only a handful of people that really know what is happening. (Obviously)
4. Gruden has called several coaches about coaching with him at UT. Most of which have been covered in the Gruden thread.
5. Gruden really wants to be here. (This has been explained to me emphatically and redundantly)

Here is what I know:
1. UT has been dealing with Gruden since the spring. (even longer when you include the last negotiation several years ago)
2. Academic/financial issues between the AD and the administration have been addressed. (That has not been made chrystal clear to me and I have been led to not feel 100% confident that to be true)
3. Dooley is gone. (Thank God)
4. There are some big boosters who still don't think Gruden is a possibility (found this out on Thanksgiving Day). One is a big spender, but not among those most discussed frequently on this board. (Without a doubt this matches direct from a HUGE booster I know that is NOT Haslem)


Here is what I think:
1. Dave Hart needs credit for the hire.
2. Even if things were signed, we have always been on Gruden's timetable.
3. If a deal is not signed by now, I doubt that it is Gruden.
4. I still think it is done and we will hear soon.
5. Most of the stuff linked from the AD including the coaching list, is bunk.
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First of all, let me make it very clear that I am in no way trying to discredit or even disagree with Lex's list of information. He is obviously very well respected and even more importantly a respectful poster. Heck, given the confidence I have in my sources...his posts, like others, make me think hard about the information I receive...sometimes it makes me think twice about it. We do not know each other but we onviously know people in the same crowds. Perhaps one day we will.

Secondly, I have several sources of information that range from the Haslem camp, a former player, relatives of former players, colleagues in the sports television industry, friends that own and operate businesses in the Knoxville and Nashville restaurant and bar industry that are friends of their regular customers that come from Board of Trustees, members of the UTAD community and former players. I think that's it. Lol

It's not hard to have access to information coming directly from very real and legitimate sources.

Having said that, every time I hear something from each angle, there is a variation in each story. Not every single variable aligns exactly or perfectly. Everyone of these people I have within this network of sources are intelligent, unassuming adults that do not make chit up. They all care about the University of Tennessee and are very emotional about it, just like all of us are. They just happen to be well connected in a variety of ways.

As this information comes to me, I see correlations that do line up that bring an undeniable set of common denominators. Ultimately, it turns into a melting pot of information, very similar to the OG's Cliff Notes. In fact, it's so close...it's scary.

Therefore I have no reason to exploit any one story, only to conclude that there is a lot of truth in a lot of areas...sprinkled with some doubt, gossip, and perhaps some miscommunications.

I believe that the upper hands in the top of the UT food chain will see this through. That's common sense, because they have been through this times before and are sick of losing just like the rest of the fan base. No one with heart and passion likes to lose. They have, at the very least, a very indicative model that is foreshadowing what could happen if we let this opportunity (Gruden) slip away AGAIN!!! Reiterating Lex's thoughts, there are only a handful of folks that know EXACTLY what is going on...which is in our favor, because the majority of those people want to the same thing...a head coach named Jon Gruden. I believe that at the end of the day, power, money, influence and majority rule....Gruden wins!!!

The Dooley hiring saga was explained to me last night in acute detail. As I understood the conversation, he was actually #9 on the list of coaches that was developed as Kiffin was packing his bags. After having these same types of bumps in the road with our top 4-5 candidates, they bailed out. So, specific boosters ended up flying to Maryland to interview Randy Edsall. He was very interested and so was UT. These said boosters flew to Maryland to meet with coach Edsall only to get completely blown off. He didn't even show up to the scheduled meeting. He signed to be HC of the Maryland Terrapins a short time later. After that development, two or three more coaches bailed off UT's list and we were left staring at the #9 person on that list...Derek Dooley.

Do you really think the big hands that ultimately control UT are going to let that happen again....I personally, do not. We shall see.

I intentionally input my comparing and contrasting info nest to Lex's in parenthesis as to compare or contrast each point. Not to debate only to compare notes...that is it.

Lastly, is like to note that this group of OG's have stuck their necks out to provide very informative information to this forum and thread. It's amazing and indicative of how important this is to ALL OF US!! They have been super generous and taken a lot of heat from skeptics and doubters only to stand in their pool of information never doing anything but supporting this fan base. Thank you to all of you that have provided any piece (large or small) of this complex jigsaw puzzle. I think what we are looking at is an almost complete puzzle with a few more pieces missing...but the artwork in the puzzle is very clear.

Go Big Orange!!!!! Gruden baby!!
 
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BruinVol said:
That Post said gruden wasn't an option at all. If hubbs every post that then its over IMO. Maybe those we jmoore's words and not hubbs
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Here is the quote for anyone not yet seeing it

Originally Posted by jmoore_21
Per Hubbs, Dave Hart has not spoken to Gruden & doesn't plan on speaking to him. He is NOT an option as HC.

All of this talk about a deal being in place ect is all Booster driven & Hart has nothing to do w/ it.
A friend who is family to someone in the coaching family says Gruden has declined and we made an offer to another very prominent college HC that was politely declined.
 
#712
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Just for the record... I have not stated my opinion because its worth about as much as a steaming pile of dog feces. I have been consumed with the thread since Gruden I. I am really hoping we get gruden, we need some excitement around these parts. I appreciate the info brought by the OG's and also the late show of the night shift.

Too much flying around to not have some validity. To borrow a phrase from a fellow poster "I'm all in". All Gruden all the time. Im drinking the grudriver and gru brew, but i try to stay away from the fuzzy gruden.
 
#714
#714
BruinVol said:
Got me 5 year old in stand right beside me now. Little spike just walked directly under us. He is mad a heck I wouldn't shoot it. Wants to take guts home to mom!! I am raising a monster!
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Sounds like me when I was young. I won't shoot anything but a 6 or greater now. Good to hear a father and son out hunting together. I have a 2 1/2 year old. Can't wait to take him.
 
#715
#715
LittleDTO said:
I have heard something new, would rather keep it off the board.

I'm still 100%
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Hi DTO... I've not been here long and I don't post often, but I just want to say thank you to you and all the other OGs for bringing us new info and keeping our spirits up. I believe what you and the others are saying and will continue to believe until Hart or Gruden say no. I just thought you might like to hear something nice instead of alot of bs about where you get your info,etc. I hope you have a great Sunday!!! God bless!!!:salute:
 
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Coastypop said:
Here is the quote for anyone not yet seeing it

Originally Posted by jmoore_21
Per Hubbs, Dave Hart has not spoken to Gruden & doesn't plan on speaking to him. He is NOT an option as HC.

All of this talk about a deal being in place ect is all Booster driven & Hart has nothing to do w/ it.
A friend who is family to someone in the coaching family says Gruden has declined and we made an offer to another very prominent college HC that was politely declined.
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That tweet means nothing imo plus its from jmoore
 
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Jake said:
First of all, let me make it very clear that I am in no way trying to discredit or even disagree with Lex's list of information. He is obviously very well respected and even more importantly a respectful poster. Heck, given the confidence I have in my sources...his posts, like others, make me think hard about the information I receive...sometimes it makes me think twice about it. We do not know each other but we onviously know people in the same crowds. Perhaps one day we will.

Secondly, I have several sources of information that range from the Haslem camp, a former player, relatives of former players, colleagues in the sports television industry, friends that own and operate businesses in the Knoxville and Nashville restaurant and bar industry that are friends of their regular customers that come from Board of Trustees, members of the UTAD community and former players. I think that's it. Lol

It's not hard to have access to information coming directly from very real and legitimate sources.

Having said that, every time I hear something from each angle, there is a variation in each story. Not every single variable aligns exactly or perfectly. Everyone of these people I have within this network of sources are intelligent, unassuming adults that do not make chit up. They all care about the University of Tennessee and are very emotional about it, just like all of us are. They just happen to be well connected in a variety of ways.

As this information comes to me, I see correlations that do line up that bring an undeniable set of common denominators. Ultimately, it turns into a melting pot of information, very similar to the OG's Cliff Notes. In fact, it's so close...it's scary.

Therefore I have no reason to exploit any one story, only to conclude that there is a lot of truth in a lot of areas...sprinkled with some doubt, gossip, and perhaps some miscommunications.

I believe that the upper hands in the top of the UT food chain will see this through. That's common sense, because they have been through this times before and are sick of losing just like the rest of the fan base. No one with heart and passion likes to lose. They have, at the very least, a very indicative model that is foreshadowing what could happen if we let this opportunity (Gruden) slip away AGAIN!!! Reiterating Lex's thoughts, there are only a handful of folks that know EXACTLY what is going on...which is in our favor, because the majority of those people want to the same thing...a head coach named Jon Gruden. I believe that at the end of the day, power, money, influence and majority rule....Gruden wins!!!

The Dooley hiring saga was explained to me last night in acute detail. As I understood the conversation, he was actually #9 on the list of coaches that was developed as Kiffin was packing his bags. After having these same types of bumps in the road with our top 4-5 candidates, they bailed out. So, specific boosters ended up flying to Maryland to interview Randy Edsall. He was very interested and so was UT. These said boosters flew to Maryland to meet with coach Edsall only to get completely blown off. He didn't even show up to the scheduled meeting. He signed to be HC of the Maryland Terrapins a short time later. After that development, two or three more coaches bailed off UT's list and we were left staring at the #9 person on that list...Derek Dooley.

Do you really think the big hands that ultimately control UT are going to let that happen again....I personally, do not. We shall see.

I intentionally input my comparing and contrasting info nest to Lex's in parenthesis as to compare or contrast each point. Not to debate only to compare notes...that is it.

Lastly, is like to note that this group of OG's have stuck their necks out to provide very informative information to this forum and thread. It's amazing and indicative of how important this is to ALL OF US!! They have been super generous and taken a lot of heat from skeptics and doubters only to stand in their pool of information never doing anything but supporting this fan base. Thank you to all of you that have provided any piece (large or small) of this complex jigsaw puzzle. I think what we are looking at is an almost complete puzzle with a few more pieces missing...but the artwork in the puzzle is very clear.

Go Big Orange!!!!! Gruden baby!!
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Disagreement doesn't bother me a bit.
 
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tastycar said:
No offense, but if everyone ignored you that wanted to, you would be talking to yourself
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At the same time, if folks would stop responding, he would have no reason to spew drivel. As a bonus, we wouldn't have to see his posts over and over, jmo.
 
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LittleDTO said:
Sounds like me when I was young. I won't shoot anything but a 6 or greater now. Good to hear a father and son out hunting together. I have a 2 1/2 year old. Can't wait to take him.
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Never got into hunting. I don't have the patience and dislike the cold weather. I'm more of a fisherman.
 
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