Official Jon Gruden Thread VI

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It sounds like everyone is reaching really hard for a way to keep the Gruden dream alive. I wish he was coming here, but I no longer believe its going to happen. Until I see Dooley fired I will just resign to the fact he will be our coach next year.
 
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Lexvol said:
This is exactly the reason that the MSU game was a benchmark. I don't think it is flaming, and is reasonable discussion point in relationship to the theory.

In that scenario, the sooner Dooley is gone the better.

On the other hand, as soon as Dooley is let go, it unleashes a poop storm of media, and everybody including Gruden has to start answering questions.
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Regardless of whether it's Gruden or not I think question of timing is a pertinent one. The real question is where is the balance as there's risk-reward for both. I don't profess to know the answer, and I suspect that's one of the things Hart is wrestling with as well (provided a decision has been made).
 
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Wilson27 said:
THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS.
:dance::clapping::thumbsup::yes::yahoo:
Lexvol, I am going with THIS as fact if you don't mind. Happy thoughts...happy thoughts...
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Go to your happy place

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IhateGA said:
It sounds like everyone is reaching really hard for a way to keep the Gruden dream alive. I wish he was coming here, but I no longer believe its going to happen. Until I see Dooley fired I will just resign to the fact he will be our coach next year.
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That would be a mistake IMO. Noone is reaching here, just making, imo, sound observations based on previous experience, rumor, and logic.
 
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FearlessFreep said:
Regardless of whether it's Gruden or not I think question of timing is a pertinent one. The real question is where is the balance as there's risk-reward for both. I don't profess to know the answer, and I suspect that's one of the things Hart is wrestling with as well (provided a decision has been made).
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I agree. I think the Hart's wrasslin match ended with a knockout last Saturday. The stadium was half full at best.
 
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phowell23 said:
By the way, here's Vice Chancellor Scott Rabenold, whom UT Athletics would be reporting to now instead of Jimmy Cheeks . He's on the left. Regal Cinemas President Greg Dunn on the right. Caption for this photo from Knoxnews actually says they are checking out latest news on UT football

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How much is "fixed" if they do in fact change this to where they report to Rabenold instead of Cheek? How big would that be?

I want your input too Lex!
 
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GreatWhiteNorth said:
Are you guys of the opinion that a loss tomorrow to Missouri forces the AD's hand in firing Dooley immediately?
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I would think that would accelerate the timetable if it isn't already. It would mean a non-winning season and an 0-6 SEC record. I'm not sure UT has ever started 0-6 in the SEC.
 
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FearlessFreep said:
Not discounting this theory, but again for the sake of discussion, wouldn't firing Dooley and then hiring Gruden in very short order give exactly that impression? Wouldn't separating the firing and hiring as far apart as possible be more advantageous towards that viewpoint? Not trying to flame, just asking.
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I think what you sugeest is very believable, but I think what Lex is saying is it more about the power struggle. Hart felt the Boosters went behind his back, and he does not want to appear weak or act in a way that gives that appearance.

So he is purposefully cooling the talk on Gruden, in order that he can give the impression it was he who rescued Tennessee Football.... Powerful people are interested in two things winning, and who has the power....All about appearances,,, I think this has a ring of truth again jmo
 
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warrior said:
That would be a mistake IMO. Noone is reaching here, just making, imo, sound observations based on previous experience, rumor, and logic.
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I agree it would be a mistake, just can't get my hopes up that Tennessee Football will ever do the right thing anymore. I get crushed every time I start to believe.
 
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My sources are telling me that the internal struggle over at UT with UT AD Dave Hart, the $$$$ boosters and Cheek has been abated for now. I’ve learned that Dave Hart has gained a concession from Big $$$ that he’s going to be the one who decides when to fire Dooley. It’s now not a matter of if Dooley goes but when. Hart is now back on board with the plan after pouting for a few days and flirting with the possibility of rehabilitating Dooley. With everyone on the same page now with Dooley's ouster it’s going to be Dave Hart's call on when. I know the pressure is mounting especially with Kentucky making a move on Joker Phillips.


Source (including ‘X’ and Vol Colonel) tell me that a group of UT’s boosters want a coach in the bag before popping Dooley, but I'm not sure that's going to be possible. I believe Big $$$ has Hart's back on Dave pulling the trigger, because I believe behind the scenes Hart has been whining about not being able to do his job with all the outside interference. It’s been a messy couple of weeks behind the scenes. Hopefully cooler heads have prevailed and UT’s fan base will soon get some relief when this guy is terminated. It’s time to get on with the future!
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GreatWhiteNorth said:
Are you guys of the opinion that a loss tomorrow to Missouri forces the AD's hand in firing Dooley immediately?
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Unless the new coach has all his ducks taken care of and is ready to be announced soon, I'd be surprised if Dooley gets let go before the end of the season.

Bigger things in play than placating the fans right now, when all will be forgiven with a HR hire after the season ends.
 
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San Diego Vol said:
I was a joke. Sometimes I type completely ridiculous stuff on here and can't believe that some people actually believe it.
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What? I've been writing down everything you say for years now to use as my personal life coaching guide. Now I hear about this. Disappoint.
 
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IhateGA said:
It sounds like everyone is reaching really hard for a way to keep the Gruden dream alive. I wish he was coming here, but I no longer believe its going to happen. Until I see Dooley fired I will just resign to the fact he will be our coach next year.
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I understand how you feel... I am still waiting and hopeing for Gruden
 
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TOMU said:
FROM BASILIO: My sources are telling me that the internal struggle over at UT with UT AD Dave Hart, the $$$$ boosters and Cheek has been abated for now. I’ve learned that Dave Hart has gained a concession from Big $$$ that he’s going to be the one who decides when to fire Dooley. It’s now not a matter of if Dooley goes but when. Hart is now back on board with the plan after pouting for a few days and flirting with the possibility of rehabilitating Dooley. With everyone on the same page now with Dooley's ouster it’s going to be Dave Hart's call on when. I know the pressure is mounting especially with Kentucky making a move on Joker Phillips.


Source (including ‘X’ and Vol Colonel) tell me that a group of UT’s boosters want a coach in the bag before popping Dooley, but I'm not sure that's going to be possible. I believe Big $$$ has Hart's back on Dave pulling the trigger, because I believe behind the scenes Hart has been whining about not being able to do his job with all the outside interference. It’s been a messy couple of weeks behind the scenes. Hopefully cooler heads have prevailed and UT’s fan base will soon get some relief when this guy is terminated. It’s time to get on with the future!
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I think this is a plausible explanation. Hart is known to be an SOB. Again, the question of 'timing' is now the pertinent one. I do, however, think that it's clear a deal has not been 'done' by any stretch of the imagination.
 
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