2013 NC WR Marquez North (UT signee)

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AJ is better than Hunter. Jones is better than Hunter. Hunter is not a guy people will trade up for like Atlanta did for Jones. He will not go as high as Green did. Hunter is not that guy. He has not shown that type of ability. If he leaves this year he will not go as high as they did. It is not all about stats. The numbers can be inflated. If anything, Hunters stats this year are inflated. I think he has 1 score in three years against UF UGA & UA. Impressive stuff. He has been a game changer against Troy and Georgia State. Got to give him credit for that. Meachem 2.0 in my opinion.
 
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PimpVol said:
AJ is better than Hunter. Jones is better than Hunter. Hunter is not a guy people will trade up for like Atlanta did for Jones. He will not go as high as Green did. Hunter is not that guy. He has not shown that type of ability. If he leaves this year he will not go as high as they did. It is not all about stats. The numbers can be inflated. If anything, Hunters stats this year are inflated. I think he has 1 score in three years against UF UGA & UA. Impressive stuff. He has been a game changer against Troy and Georgia State. Got to give him credit for that. Meachem 2.0 in my opinion.
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Hunter had a touchdown against UGA and UF his freshmen year alone. Hunter is definitely that guy, a team is not going to take a receiver in the first round unless they think he can be a number 1. I never once said it was about stats, if you watch the games you will notice when a DC gives Hunter a little breathing room, he always gets open. Very few receivers can completely dominate single man coverage, Hunter is one of them.

You don't know that at all. There is no doubt in my mind that Hunter's stock is going to rise in the combine. A 6'4 athlete with 4.3 speed with incredible leaping ability. I'll be shocked if he doesn't move up.

You can't go by draft order with a position like receiver to determine who is better. It all depends on needs. Ed Reed was taken with the 24th pick and he was considered an elite safety coming out of Miami. That doesn't mean Eric Berry is better than Reed. OL and DL are the only positions in the draft that are always on a team's radar.

Aj and Hunter are very similar recievers. Its up to Hunter to work hard like Green did and reach his full potential. If Hunter reaches his full potential, he will be a top receiver in the NFL. The skill set he has is unbelievable.
 
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StlCardinals2618 said:
The whole offense was to give DR the ball. Almost every receiver on the team last year wanted to transfer because of that. Hunter and CP would easily have 1000 yards if they got 100 targets a game. Charlie Baggett said himself that Hunter is light years better than Rogers. Scouts think the same thing also. DR is going to be a receiver like Boldin in the NFL. Hunter will be an Aj Green.
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Hunter can't even produce in big games at all. DR killed Vandy's Casey Heyward who's playing very well for my Packers. Hunter hasn't beat a good CB yet. Banks punked him out, Florida CBs put enough pressure on him to quit, and the Bama CBs made his quit too. What about your boy not having a TD in SEC play? Guess you'll have an excuse for that too. Hunter can't look AJ Green in eyes. He's no where near the player he was last year.
 
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PimpVol said:
AJ is better than Hunter. Jones is better than Hunter. Hunter is not a guy people will trade up for like Atlanta did for Jones. He will not go as high as Green did. Hunter is not that guy. He has not shown that type of ability. If he leaves this year he will not go as high as they did. It is not all about stats. The numbers can be inflated. If anything, Hunters stats this year are inflated. I think he has 1 score in three years against UF UGA & UA. Impressive stuff. He has been a game changer against Troy and Georgia State. Got to give him credit for that. Meachem 2.0 in my opinion.
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Meachem at least beat Cal and came up big for us late versus Bama. Hunter is a chump versus aggressive defenses.
 
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The Breakerboy said:
Hunter can't even produce in big games at all. DR killed Vandy's Casey Heyward who's playing very well for my Packers. Hunter hasn't beat a good CB yet. Banks punked him out, Florida CBs put enough pressure on him to quit, and the Bama CBs made his quit too. What about your boy not having a TD in SEC play? Guess you'll have an excuse for that too. Hunter can't look AJ Green in eyes. He's no where near the player he was last year.
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Thats funny. Go back and watch the games. Every time a team singled up on Hunter, Hunter was open easily, especially in the UF game. He beat his corner nearly every play. If you want to talk about his drops go ahead, but he is open every time the DC would give him breathing room.

As for him not having a td in SEC play. Go back and watch the Alabama game. Three guys were on Hunter to make sure he didn't get the ball in the endzone.

Could Hunter play better? Of course. If it wasn't for Hunter, this offense wouldn't be nearly as effective.
 
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StlCardinals2618 said:
Thats funny. Go back and watch the games. Every time a team singled up on Hunter, Hunter was open easily, especially in the UF game. He beat his corner nearly every play. If you want to talk about his drops go ahead, but he is open every time the DC would give him breathing room.

As for him not having a td in SEC play. Go back and watch the Alabama game. Three guys were on Hunter to make sure he didn't get the ball in the endzone.

Could Hunter play better? Of course. If it wasn't for Hunter, this offense wouldn't be nearly as effective.
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He's what we call self-check right now in big games. Even if he's open he'll drop it. Touch him up early he'll quit. Your excuses are funny for Hunter though. He's not any where near the WR DR was last year. You're in denial if you think he is. Draft potential and gameplay are two completely different things. Him not having a TD in SEC play is what it is. He hasn't scored against good competition. DR did work without 84 on the other side, no running game, and Matt Simms/Worley at QB. And he had defenses keying on him at all times. Hunter has always had a viable threat on the other side of him. Dmo his first year, DR last year, and CP plus Zro this year. What excuses now???
 
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The Breakerboy said:
He's what we call self-check right now in big games. Even if he's open he'll drop it. Touch him up early he'll quit. Your excuses are funny for Hunter though. He's not any where near the WR DR was last year. You're in denial if you think he is. Draft potential and gameplay are two completely different things. Him not having a TD in SEC play is what it is. He hasn't scored against good competition. DR did work without 84 on the other side, no running game, and Matt Simms/Worley at QB. And he had defenses keying on him at all times. Hunter has always had a viable threat on the other side of him. Dmo his first year, DR last year, and CP plus Zro this year. What excuses now???
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DR got completely owned against Mo Claibourne and nearly every other corner that played man on him. Kentucky just put their best corner on DR and shut him down. Thats what every SEC DC did against DR. DR didn't get the respect Hunter did. Teams always put an extra safety in the box when they played Tennessee last year and pretty much sent the house. That wouldn't happen if teams were worred about DR. Why do you think Neal was moved to receiver??? People always bring up what he did to Honey Badger, but Mattheiu was playing in zone and trying to strip the ball away which Mattheiu was good at. When LSU put Claiborne on DR, DR was fallling down and looking bad.

Teams are putting single coverage on CP and Z Rogers. Z Rogers exploited South Carolina because of it.

Also, most of the plays last year was to get DR open. Receivers on the team last year were very upset about it and thought about transferring.

If Hunter got as many targets as DR did, he would easily have the stats. He doesn't have to those targets this year tho. Bray has done well spreading the ball around this year.
 
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StlCardinals2618 said:
DR got completely owned against Mo Claibourne and nearly every other corner that played man on him. Kentucky just put their best corner on DR and shut him down. Thats what every SEC DC did against DR. DR didn't get the respect Hunter did. Teams always put an extra safety in the box when they played Tennessee last year and pretty much sent the house. That wouldn't happen if teams were worred about DR. Why do you think Neal was moved to receiver??? People always bring up what he did to Honey Badger, but Mattheiu was playing in zone and trying to strip the ball away which Mattheiu was good at. When LSU put Claiborne on DR, DR was fallling down and looking bad.

Teams are putting single coverage on CP and Z Rogers. Z Rogers exploited South Carolina because of it.

Also, most of the plays last year was to get DR open. Receivers on the team last year were very upset about it and thought about transferring.

If Hunter got as many targets as DR did, he would easily have the stats. He doesn't have to those targets this year tho. Bray has done well spreading the ball around this year.
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Either you're fabricating things to substantiate your post or you're lack in your understanding of the game of football and defensive schemes and coverages.

The triangle was put on DR on several occasions & he a S was often shaded to his side. With JH11 being out last yr, formations often told DCs where we were going with the ball so it just appeared that way to the untrained eye.
 
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Tha Don said:
Either you're fabricating things to substantiate your post or you're lack in your understanding of the game of football and defensive schemes and coverages.
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Watch games from last year. Tennessee fans used the excuse DR was double covered to make the season feel better. Truth was he wasn't. He was hardly ever double covered. Former coaches and players said the same thing.
 
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StlCardinals2618 said:
Watch games from last year. Tennessee fans used the excuse DR was double covered to make the season feel better. Truth was he wasn't. He was hardly ever double covered. Former coaches and players said the same thing.
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Like I said... a Safety was shaded toward DR's side most games. Even in the LSU game you mentioned, #37, Hatcher was providing support in case DR broke the route off underneath while Claiborne ran with him if he went over the top. Most of the time; however, our formations and personnel were so limited that most of the reads could be made pre-snap.
 
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ANYWAY, back to North. I hope he comes here so that he can contribute to the tradition and legacy that is WRU.
 
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Tha Don said:
Like I said... a Safety was shaded toward DR's side most games. Even in the LSU game you mentioned, #37, Hatcher was providing support in case DR broke the route off underneath while Claiborne ran with him if he went over the top. Most of the time; however, our formations and personnel were so limited that most of the reads could be made pre-snap.
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I'm watching the LSU game right now. LSU defense never changed according to DR. It wouldn't have mattered if DR and ZR switched places.
 
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StlCardinals2618 said:
I'm watching the LSU game right now. LSU defense never changed according to DR. It wouldn't have mattered if DR and ZR switched places.
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How many passes did ZR catch last yr? In your opinion, was he even a legit threat to catch a pass last yr? Would you have guarded him if you were on the field last yr? That'd be like guarding Shaq at the 3-point line.
 
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Tha Don said:
How many passes did ZR catch last yr? In your opinion, was he even a legit threat to catch a pass last yr? Would you have guarded him if you were on the field last yr? That'd be like guarding Shaq at the 3-point line.
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No he wasn't. If he was playing like he did this year, UT would have never moved Neal to receiver. Thats my point though. It didn't matter what receiver was where. LSU didn't focus on taking DR out of the game. He got the same treatment every receiver got in that game.
 
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StlCardinals2618 said:
No he wasn't. If he was playing like he did this year, UT would have never moved Neal to receiver. Thats my point though. It didn't matter what receiver was where. LSU didn't focus on taking DR out of the game. He got the same treatment every receiver got in that game.
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Mo Claibourne is the only CB that held DR period. And that was with Simms throwing the ball. Did you watch how DR treated Casey Heyward, Honey Badger, and Matt Elam? Also the kid had the Charles Rogers triangle put on him in the UGA game. Got hit by three guys and the CB had to leave the game. Plus CBs never could press him. Claiborne lined up in press but bailed when the ball was snapped. Your BS argument for Hunter is hilarious. He's playing like a mid major superstar. And this is his third year. He's not ready for the pros period with his gameplay. Rogers ran much stronger routes and played much more like a pro than this year's version of Hunter.
 
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The Breakerboy said:
Mo Claibourne is the only CB that held DR period. And that was with Simms throwing the ball. Did you watch how DR treated Casey Heyward, Honey Badger, and Matt Elam? Also the kid had the Charles Rogers triangle put on him in the UGA game. Got hit by three guys and the CB had to leave the game. Plus CBs never could press him. Claiborne lined up in press but bailed when the ball was snapped. Your BS argument for Hunter is hilarious. He's playing like a mid major superstar. And this is his third year. He's not ready for the pros period with his gameplay. Rogers ran much stronger routes and played much more like a pro than this year's version of Hunter.
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Honey Badger was playing zone coverage. DR did play very well against Heyward. And DR got over half his yards 62 yards (less than Hunter) in the UF game when the db fell on a streak. The Cbs pressed him all the time. I just watched the UF and LSU game. I find it hysterical you're calling Hunter a mid major killer since DR is easily one with much more favorable coverage. He didn't do anything against good corners. You can keep telling yourself he did, but DR was a mid major killer. The fact that Hunter had more SEC tds his freshmen year than DR's 2 years combined tells you all you need to know.

I guess you know more than scouts considering Hunter is still the top receiver prospect according to scouts inc on ESPN. Keep lying to yourself saying he isn't ready but he is. The only thing he would need to work on is his blocking.
 
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He's not even the best pro WR prospect on his own team. These grades now are for show. Patterson's stock is skyrocketing.

You trying to discredit DR is funny. Honey Badger getting thrown away and being dragged across the field means he was in zone huh?

I don't know what film you're looking at but you're not reading coverages well. And the way DR big boyed Heyward with basically the game on the line at that point doesn't qualify in your book either right? Especially seeing how well Heyward is playing as a pro after being drafted second round. That streak versus Florida was called back. They ran triangle on him which is why Arnett had around 8 catches. Yeah you're so full of it guy.

Yeah I'm about done with this shxt.
 
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The Breakerboy said:
He's not even the best pro WR prospect on his own team. These grades now are for show. Patterson's stock is skyrocketing.

You trying to discredit DR is funny. Honey Badger getting thrown away and being dragged across the field means he was in zone huh?

I don't know what film you're looking at but you're not reading coverages well. And the way DR big boyed Heyward with basically the game on the line at that point doesn't qualify in your book either right? Especially seeing how well Heyward is playing as a pro after being drafted second round.

Yeah I'm about done with this shxt.
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They're just for show? They are a lot more accurate than you think. Patterson will not go ahead of Hunter. Patterson is awesome, but no one is going to take Patterson over Hunter. I highly highly doubt Patterson even goes in the first round this year if he goes out. Teams are not going to want to use their first round pick on niche receiver because thats what he is right now.

lol, you mean when Honey badger was trying to strip the ball away which he always does? LSU was playing zone when DR caught that ball. DR has always been great in open space, its getting seperation in man coverage that makes receivers elite. DR has struggled at that.

I'm reading the same coverages you are. Buck Fitzgerald and the former players and coaches he has talked to have said the same thing about DR. He played well that game and Heyward is a solid corner, but its Vandy. He did what he was supposed to do against Vandy.
 
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StlCardinals2618 said:
Hunter had a touchdown against UGA and UF his freshmen year alone. Hunter is definitely that guy, a team is not going to take a receiver in the first round unless they think he can be a number 1. I never once said it was about stats, if you watch the games you will notice when a DC gives Hunter a little breathinwg room, he always gets open. Very few receivers can completely dominate single man coverage, Hunter is one of them.

You don't know that at all. There is no doubt in my mind that Hunter's stock is going to rise in the combine. A 6'4 athlete with 4.3 speed with incredible leaping ability. I'll be shocked if he doesn't move up.

You can't go by draft order with a position like receiver to determine who is better. It all depends on needs. Ed Reed was taken with the 24th pick and he was considered an elite safety coming out of Miami. That doesn't mean Eric Berry is better than Reed. OL and DL are the only positions in the draft that are always on a team's radar.

Aj and Hunter are very similar recievers. Its up to Hunter to work hard like Green did and reach his full potential. If Hunter reaches his full potential, he will be a top receiver in the NFL. The skill set he has is unbelievable.
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Hunter is not that guy. Unless something changes. He has had 5 games to prove it. What he proved to me (especially UF UA & MSU) in those games this year (5 league losses by the way) was that he is not a "#1" NFL wideout. He is fast and all that jazz and he will test well at the combines. We call those workout warriors round here. Although I respect your opinion, can't say that the tape backs you up.
JH should DOMINATE these last 4 games. We are done facing top 20 teams now. He can shine brightly now.
 
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StlCardinals2618 said:
They're just for show? They are a lot more accurate than you think. Patterson will not go ahead of Hunter. Patterson is awesome, but no one is going to take Patterson over Hunter. I highly highly doubt Patterson even goes in the first round this year if he goes out. Teams are not going to want to use their first round pick on niche receiver because thats what he is right now.

lol, you mean when Honey badger was trying to strip the ball away which he always does? LSU was playing zone when DR caught that ball. DR has always been great in open space, its getting seperation in man coverage that makes receivers elite. DR has struggled at that.

I'm reading the same coverages you are. Buck Fitzgerald and the former players and coaches he has talked to have said the same thing about DR. He played well that game and Heyward is a solid corner, but its Vandy. He did what he was supposed to do against Vandy.
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What "niche" are you putting Hunter in? First team all-SEC?
 
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PimpVol said:
What "niche" are you putting Hunter in? First team all-SEC?
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Dude he's trying to discredit Heyward because he went to Vandy but was drafted second round. Plus he's making plays on the back end for Green Bay but DR took it to him all game. Then he tries to take away DR's catch run where he rag dolled the Honey Badger like little kid. But he can't name a big time CB Hunter has actually beaten. Heyward is a big time player no matter where he played.
 
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The Breakerboy said:
Dude he's trying to discredit Heyward because he went to Vandy but was drafted second round. Plus he's making plays on the back end for Green Bay but DR took it to him all game. Then he tries to take away DR's catch run where he rag dolled the Honey Badger like little kid. But he can't name a big time CB Hunter has actually beaten. Heyward is a big time player no matter where he played.
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Again, Honey Badger was going for the strip. Its quite obvious and is something Mattheiu did constantly. Hunter beat Mattheiu his freshmen year on an underthrow. He beat Roberson in the UF game. All of Hunter's yards in the Bama game came against Dee Milliner but I guess those don't count yet DR's big game against Vandy and one catch in zone coverage against Honey Badger does.

I have seen Heyward play and even saw his pick for the Packers but its freaking Vandy. It'd be like me bragging about CP beating Amerson when Amerson gets drafted (which could be in the second round like Heyward)
 
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