Recruiting

[LebanonVolunteer]

So. UT has one damn powerful offense that Dooley and Chaney put together. With some damn good up & comers. If our defense was 1/2 as good/bad as it was last year, UF and GA would be W's in our win loss column. Not making excuses, but let me ask you a question - is it easier to recruit to UF -UG - LSU - Bama than it is to UT?

EDIT - Add SC to our win column also.

Easier....maybe. Some coaches don't mind working harder. Fulmer just worked harder. Kiffin seemed to just work harder. Recruiting would be alot easier if we had a winning coach. When you going to a gun fight with a butter knife, I don't like your chances. Each year it gets worse as fewer recruits buy into what Dooley and company are selling. North & Green are prime examples. Had we beat UF or UGA....IMO, Both would already be Vols.

 

[DERELICK_MY_VOLS]

what i am alluding to is.....

if dooley has done a great job in recruiting......where are the impact freshmen, redshirt freshmen, and sophomores?

tennessee has a team that has won 1 conference game in its last 13 games.

it's a bad sign to be losing with older players. where are the younger players that are going to be carrying the program forward?

Well....the Dooley lovers are turning their heads to the fact that if you are not a RB or OL you are not getting coached up at all. This team is running on pure athleticism right now.

 

[KoachKletus]

Hah,,I know. I don't mind exchanging banter, that's what forums are for. Lebanon and a few others show their commitment and one can respect that. We just happen to have a different opinion.

 

[carpbc]

We just offered a 6'4 OLB weighing in at 178 pounds today. He does have an offer from UAB. Better days ahead!

This is the level of recruiting reflected from Dooley's own (not related to Kiffin's recruiting efforts) first recruiting class. For the most part, Dooley seems to be quite content with 2 and 3 star recruits... and even unrated ones. With our current level of coaching... I really do not see the level of recruiting getting any better, because players who witness the ineptitude on the field know that it is not just the players...

Anyway, No matter who is coaching or playing for the BO... Go Vols!

 

[loggervol]

you did not answer the question. i said name the 10 best and you listed 24 guys, most of whom do not play.

aj johson
curt maggit
brian randolph
brendon downs
tiny
ladarrel mcneil
lane
young
marcus jackson
daniel gray
all of these guys are getting min's or starting.we also have big dan first year jc,cp the same and d sentimore.all the guys i mentioned have potential.

there's your answer.
why do you care?

 

[VolFootballlover]

Ahh, I see you don't follow the recruiting forum. Good, keep it that way.

Boss, I follow just as much as You. But more than that I have 20/20 vision and see what Dooley puts on the field!

 

[KoachKletus]

Easier....maybe. Some coaches don't mind working harder. Fulmer just worked harder. Kiffin seemed to just work harder. Recruiting would be alot easier if we had a winning coach. When you going to a gun fight with a butter knife, I don't like your chances. Each year it gets worse as fewer recruits buy into what Dooley and company are selling. North & Green are prime examples. Had we beat UF or UGA....IMO, Both would already be Vols.

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Dooley didn't even have a butter knife when he assumed duties at UT. As for getting worse, I posted our Rivals ranking's and it appears that he's not doing to bad considering all the hot seat talk. Green, IMO, will be a Vol. Auburn is out of the question unless some mysterious $$ arrives, Michigan is a player but Momma loves the close to home aspect (putting Oregon out in left field), so yes, pure speculation, but UT is solid in play with Green.
I will side with you on one issue - if a coaching change is to take place - it should be done in a prudent manner - and only if a HUGE name is put in place. The only HUGE name I can think of is Gruden, but that's not happening. Since that's not happening, perhaps a few of these disgruntled fans should stand behind Coach Dooley, show some support, let some of the hot seat talk dissipate so he can pull some bigger name recruits.

 

[loggervol]

Hah,,I know. I don't mind exchanging banter, that's what forums are for. Lebanon and a few others show their commitment and one can respect that. We just happen to have a different opinion.

i don't mind either but people are afraid to give dd credit for the things he has done.i believe they think their faces might melt or something.

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

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Dooley didn't even have a butter knife when he assumed duties at UT. As for getting worse, I posted our Rivals ranking's and it appears that he's not doing to bad considering all the hot seat talk. Green, IMO, will be a Vol. Auburn is out of the question unless some mysterious $$ arrives, Michigan is a player but Momma loves the close to home aspect (putting Oregon out in left field), so yes, pure speculation, but UT is solid in play with Green.
I will side with you on one issue - if a coaching change is to take place - it should be done in a prudent manner - and only if a HUGE name is put in place. The only HUGE name I can think of is Gruden, but that's not happening. Since that's not happening, perhaps a few of these disgruntled fans should stand behind Coach Dooley, show some support, let some of the hot seat talk dissipate so he can pull some bigger name recruits.

Sorry, I will never buy into the idea that hot seat/coaching talk on a message board sways a recruit from a school. Losing sways a recruit. Seeing other players not being coached up hurts recruiting. When the defense falls on it's face week after week. That hurts recruiting. We recruit a few positions well. WR being one. It makes sense as we like to throw it 62 times a game. We struggle recruiting RBs, it makes sense as we like to throw it 62 times a game. See how that works? I still can't figure out how we have 38 DBs on this team and not a one of them can run down a UF TE going down the sideline.

 

[VolFootballlover]

i don't mind either but people are afraid to give dd credit for the things he has done.i believe they think their faces might melt or something.

The VFL program ....? Not sure what else . Stability? No . Recruiting ? Take out Lanes class and Chaney ? We are middle of the pack in the SEC ..Not Bad. Smooth talking snake oil sales man that has you Blinded by his press conferences.

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

i don't mind either but people are afraid to give dd credit for the things he has done.i believe they think their faces might melt or something.

I give DD credit. He took the job at UT and has stood in as HC for 3 years. He got us past the NCAA (possible) issues. He recruited decent for a coach with alot of losing going on. Alot of off the field stuff has quieted down since he has been here.(I do question it as I think DD just does a better job of keeping things off the record..see Da'Rick".

Other than those things, I just don't think he has done much at all. He no longer should be coaching at a school like Tennessee. He was a stand in and did that. It's time to hire a coach now. The players, the school, the program, and the fans deserve it.

 

[99gator]

i don't mind either but people are afraid to give dd credit for the things he has done.i believe they think their faces might melt or something.

we have to agree to disagree.

but, i don't think he is getting it done in recruiting.

i would submit the list you provided of the 10 best 1st and 2nd year players (non juco's) as evidence.

that isn't near good enough to get it done, imo.

i am not afraid to give dooley credit for something, but i don't see much noteworthy there.

i don't see where that is going to close the gap with anyone.

 

[VolFootballlover]

I give DD credit. He took the job at UT and has stood in as HC for 3 years. He got us past the NCAA (possible) issues. He recruited decent for a coach with alot of losing going on. Alot of off the field stuff has quieted down since he has been here.(I do question it as I think DD just does a better job of keeping things off the record..see Da'Rick".

Other than those things, I just don't think he has done much at all. He no longer should be coaching at a school like Tennessee. He was a stand in and did that. It's time to hire a coach now. The players, the school, the program, and the fans deserve it.

Great Post LebanonVolunteer .

Facts Don't lie!
Year #1 lose to Florida,Georgia,Alabama,South Carolina ,LSU
Year #2 Lose to Florida,Georgia,Alabama,South Carolina,Arkansas,Kentucky,LSU
Year #3 Lose to Florida,Georgia,Alabama,South Carolina ,MSU ...who is next?

 

[ncvol17]

Think Al Golden wants out of UM? Good, young coach w/ recruiting ties he could bring form Fla.

 

[KoachKletus]

Sorry, I will never buy into the idea that hot seat/coaching talk on a message board sways a recruit from a school. Losing sways a recruit. Seeing other players not being coached up hurts recruiting. When the defense falls on it's face week after week. That hurts recruiting. We recruit a few positions well. WR being one. It makes sense as we like to throw it 62 times a game. We struggle recruiting RBs, it makes sense as we like to throw it 62 times a game. See how that works? I still can't figure out how we have 38 DBs on this team and not a one of them can run down a UF TE going down the sideline.

Not going to completely disagree. What the offense has done, and done real well this year, is run the ball. Cannot deny that. Dooley's main focus this year was running the ball, that's what we heard all offseason - running the ball. Chaney at time's puzzles me on some of these 3rd and shorts, pisses me off actually.

Now defense - different story. A good place to start is continuity. Look at our offense - most of them, including the coordinator have been together for 2-3 years. This defense is completely new. Look at the players, how many have actually played together as starters? How many have actually worked with the coaches for over a year? Our D-backs are a nightmare for a couple of different reasons - number one is our seniors have been through 3 different head coaches, and just as many coaching regimes. The fall off from them is to our juniors whom have been through two different regimes and coaches - same goes for our soph's - they have had the same Head coach, but not position coaches. These are the type's of problems that Coach Dooley has faced and why he should at least be given one more year.

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

Great Post LebanonVolunteer .

Facts Don't lie!
Year #1 lose to Florida,Georgia,Alabama,South Carolina ,LSU
Year #2 Lose to Florida,Georgia,Alabama,South Carolina,Arkansas,Kentucky,LSU
Year #3 Lose to Florida,Georgia,Alabama,South Carolina ,MSU ...who is next?

My guess? Mizzou and Vandy.

 

[VolFootballlover]

DB's in the 3-4 or the 4-3 do the same thing. Cover . There is no excuse for this.

 

[loggervol]

this is what i'm talking about.the oline is a big improvement.the running game is a big improvement.the passing game is a big improvement.that's three things that nobody will give dd credit for.our dline is better also.our def as a whole is terrible and i will not argue with anyone about that.

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

Not going to completely disagree. What the offense has done, and done real well this year, is run the ball. Cannot deny that. Dooley's main focus this year was running the ball, that's what we heard all offseason - running the ball. Chaney at time's puzzles me on some of these 3rd and shorts, pisses me off actually.

Now defense - different story. A good place to start is continuity. Look at our offense - most of them, including the coordinator have been together for 2-3 years. This defense is completely new. Look at the players, how many have actually played together as starters? How many have actually worked with the coaches for over a year? Our D-backs are a nightmare for a couple of different reasons - number one is our seniors have been through 3 different head coaches, and just as many coaching regimes. The fall off from them is to our juniors whom have been through two different regimes and coaches - same goes for our soph's - they have had the same Head coach, but not position coaches. These are the type's of problems that Coach Dooley has faced and why he should at least be given one more year.

How many years does a defense have to be together before they can break down and tackle someone? Maybe that is the real question. If the answer is 3 years.....we are in trouble. It did take almost 3 years to figure out how to run the ball. Almost 3 years to figure out why we could not kick a FG. 3 years for our QB to realize a check down pass for 7 yards to a RB on 3rd and 3 is alright sometimes. Maybe in 2014 we will be good to go.

 

[VolFootballlover]

this is what i'm talking about.the oline is a big improvement.the running game is a big improvement.the passing game is a big improvement.that's three things that nobody will give dd credit for.our dline is better also.our def as a whole is terrible and i will not argue with anyone about that.

True bud. But with a Position Coach at RB Now and a year more in the weight room wouldn't you think with Joey the security guard as coach that the O-line and rb's would be better?

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

this is what i'm talking about.the oline is a big improvement.the running game is a big improvement.the passing game is a big improvement.that's three things that nobody will give dd credit for.our dline is better also.our def as a whole is terrible and i will not argue with anyone about that.

I may be way off here but I think alot of our "offensive" stats are having NFL guys at QB, WR, WR, WR, OL, OL, OL, OL. Coaching is decent on offense. Play calling is suspect most games. Players playing not to get hurt some times. 500 yards a game on offense looks great. The problem is we are the same kind of team we make fun of out in the PAC10. We are the Texas Tech of the Leach era. 1st one to 60 wins. That is a recipe for losing in the SEC.

 

[loggervol]

True bud. But with a Position Coach at RB Now and a year more in the weight room wouldn't you think with Joey the security guard as coach that the O-line and rb's would be better?

if dd is taking the blame for the def.why can't he get the credit for the off.he made 2 good hires to make them better.

 

[governmentmule]

Not going to completely disagree. What the offense has done, and done real well this year, is run the ball. Cannot deny that. Dooley's main focus this year was running the ball, that's what we heard all offseason - running the ball. Chaney at time's puzzles me on some of these 3rd and shorts, pisses me off actually.

Now defense - different story. A good place to start is continuity. Look at our offense - most of them, including the coordinator have been together for 2-3 years. This defense is completely new. Look at the players, how many have actually played together as starters? How many have actually worked with the coaches for over a year? Our D-backs are a nightmare for a couple of different reasons - number one is our seniors have been through 3 different head coaches, and just as many coaching regimes. The fall off from them is to our juniors whom have been through two different regimes and coaches - same goes for our soph's - they have had the same Head coach, but not position coaches. These are the type's of problems that Coach Dooley has faced and why he should at least be given one more year.

well said :hi: the new scheme is causing a ton of problems,i think we need a good secondary coach on the D to help stop the big plays or it could just be needing more time in the mew D,i don't know what is needed,but i hope it gets fixed

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

True bud. But with a Position Coach at RB Now and a year more in the weight room wouldn't you think with Joey the security guard as coach that the O-line and rb's would be better?

That is how I see it as well. CJG and CSP have done a great job. Give me a HC, ANY HC with a winning record and this team is better than they are today.

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

if dd is taking the blame for the def.why can't he get the credit for the off.he made 2 good hires to make them better.

He can have credit for CJG and CSP. I think they were great hires. The HC is responsible for the whole team and all the coaches. Defense is part of that. The worst defense in UT history should get a man fired.