Most of the Volnation is very unrealistic!

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volsgrad89 said:
Do you guys realize all 5 losses are to SEC (hands down the toughest conference in college football, unprecedented) teams in the top 15 of the BCS with a combined record of 36-5? Of course, all 5 losses are to those in the top 15 of the BCS. Do you remember UT was competitive in all 5 losses except 1? Do you realize no one has been competitive with Bama this year? Do you realize that UT had a very good chance of winning 3 of those games with last years DC? Whoever brought in an unproven DC needs to be fired now!!! If it was ultimately Dooley, see ya Dooley. If not, fire whoever brought in Sal. The D is PATHETIC!!!
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People who say that its ok to lose all 5 of those games because they were all against ranked teams should be repeatedly kicked in the balls....Mediocrity sucks...Dooley sucks...
 
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volsgrad89 said:
Do some of you actually read and fact find before posting? No, you just run off at the mouth. I NEVER SAID the SEC hasn't always been stronger than the other conferences!!! I said the SEC is three times stronger than it was in the early 90s as proven by it's dominance against the other conferences in the past 15 years as well as Spurrier, Saban, Miles, Muschamp, Mullen, Richt, and Petrino being brought into the league along with Texas A & M.
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Dude, you seriously don't get it, do you. The SEC has been spanking other conferences in bowls for FREAKIN' DECADES!!! NOTHING HAS CHANGED. We have added a few good members, got a contract with ESPN(Formerly ESBIG10), and thanks to some serious ass whippings in BCS title games, we are finally being noticed. IMHO
 
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albedo33 said:
Dooley supporters can wave their arms; they can cherry-pick data all they want. But the fact remains. To defend Dooley at this point is to accept mediocrity and football irrelevance.

Which is sad, because we are not Tulane or NC State. We are Tennessee. For a century we've had one of the greatest football programs in the country. We're 6 wins away from 800 all-time, something only 7 other teams have accomplished. Year after year, our Vols have taken the field expecting to win regardless of the opponent. But with each game under Dooley, UT's proud legacy fades. Shame on those who accept it.
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I understand much of this sounds like Dooley is being defended. I can assure you. I am not defending Dooley! He can take his 5 million and let the door hit him in the behind. As long as UT can secure a PROVEN HC with PROVEN RECRUTING SKILLS or the POTENTIAL TO BE A TOP FIVE RECRUITER CONSISTENTLY! Otherwise, don't take a gamble on another unproven coach when the SEC is now three times stronger than it was 15 years ago! 10 years ago, there was no Saban, Richt, Muschamp, Sumlin, Mullen, and Miles coaching in the SEC. All those coaches have proved or starting to prove some major revelancy in the SEC. UT doesn't need to take another shot in the dark at an UNPROVEN Head Coach!!!
 
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volsgrad89 said:
Possibly, but what does that have to do with getting UT's top three choice or waiting until they can?
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I would not wait. No chance in the world would I under ANY circumstances go into 2013 with a lame duck coach. Players will quit, recruiting will take a dive, and fan support will be at an all time low. There is no sure hire next season either as who knows who would be available. Derek Dooley is a loser. He is a career losing coach. It's not going to change because a few people hope and pray it will. How many college coaches have a winning record? Top 3? I would take just about ANYONE who has proven they can win more than they lose. UT recruits itself alot more than people think. If rumors are true UT is shopping in the 5 million + range, we WILL have a new coach next year. I honestly don't care who it is as long as it's not Dooley.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
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He would rather keep Dooley than get "Another Nobody Coach" and "Keep" losing to the big boys for the next 10 years.

So Dooley is a nobody, and has continued to lose the games that matter. This is per your statement.

Yeah! Let's just keep him!!


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You are just another clueless poster with no stated facts to bring to this post. I will say for the last time. The SEC is much stronger than the Fulmer and Majors eras. The SEC now has high end proven coaches like Saban, Spurrier, Richt, Miles, Muschamp (up and coming), Sumlin (yet to be proven), and Mullen (yet to be proven). Even most of you think Frankin is better than Dooley. And, he may very well be better, time will tell. Don't fire Dooley and spend 9 million. Unless, UT's top three choice can be hired! Most fans don't want to be back in the same boat in 2-3 years. Most UT fans want to be going 8-0, 7-1, or 6-2 in the SEC very consistently!!! If UT has it's man to accomplish such a feat, by all means FIRE DOOLYE TODAY!
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
I would not wait. No chance in the world would I under ANY circumstances go into 2013 with a lame duck coach. Players will quit, recruiting will take a dive, and fan support will be at an all time low. There is no sure hire next season either as who knows who would be available. Derek Dooley is a loser. He is a career losing coach. It's not going to change because a few people hope and pray it will. How many college coaches have a winning record? Top 3? I would take just about ANYONE who has proven they can win more than they lose. UT recruits itself alot more than people think. If rumors are true UT is shopping in the 5 million + range, we WILL have a new coach next year. I honestly don't care who it is as long as it's not Dooley.
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If the rumor is true that UT will spend 5 million plus. I am all for getting rid of Dooley. Just make sure whoever replaces Dooley isn't another gamble making 2 million!!! UT can't compete with the likes of Miles, Saban, Spurrier, Richt, Muschamp, and possibly Mullen and Sumlin with an unproven 2 million dollar coach like the one UT has now! As stated many times, get rid of Dooley tomorrow. If UT can get a PROVEN Head Coach that will make major recruiting ripples!!!
 
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volsgrad89 said:
You are just another clueless poster with no stated facts to bring to this post. I will say for the last time. The SEC is much stronger than the Fulmer and Majors eras. The SEC now has high end proven coaches like Saban, Spurrier, Richt, Miles, Muschamp (up and coming), Sumlin (yet to be proven), and Mullen (yet to be proven). Even most of you think Frankin is better than Dooley. And, he may very well be better, time will tell. Don't fire Dooley and spend 9 million. Unless, UT's top three choice can be hired! Most fans don't want to be back in the same boat in 2-3 years. Most UT fans want to be going 8-0, 7-1, or 6-2 in the SEC very consistently!!! If UT has it's man to accomplish such a feat, by all means FIRE DOOLYE TODAY!
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IMO, that is where your wrong. We did not need Nick Saban coaching this team to beat UF, UGA, MSU, and USCe. We needed a coach with a backbone that held his players accountable. If you want to play, EARN IT. We needed a coach who could at least coach up talent even if just a little bit. I have no doubt that if this exact Vol squad was coached by a Mullen, Petrino, Sumlin, or ANY other coach who has won more than he has lost we would be sitting at 7-1 or 6-2 at worse. A top 3 hire would be great. ANY coach would put us in a better position to win than DD has. I may be a clueless poster, but I also know when to shoot a broken down horse.
 
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albedo33 said:
Dooley supporters can wave their arms; they can cherry-pick data all they want. But the fact remains. To defend Dooley at this point is to accept mediocrity and football irrelevance.

Which is sad, because we are not Tulane or NC State. We are Tennessee. For a century we've had one of the greatest football programs in the country. We're 6 wins away from 800 all-time, something only 7 other teams have accomplished. Year after year, our Vols have taken the field expecting to win regardless of the opponent. But with each game under Dooley, UT's proud legacy fades. Shame on those who accept it.
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You sir are completely delusional.. The people who rallied to get fulmer fired are the ones who doomed us to mediocrity and football irrelevance.

Which is sad, because now we attack the man who is trying to get us back to that point.

Is it taking longer then ANY UT fan would like.. YES

Does anyone like Losing? NO

Is ANYONE saying its ok to have a record like this every year? NO

but anyone who thinks it can happen overnight is delusional and has no idea what it takes to build a team from almost nothing into a top 10-15 team, which is what it takes to be successful in the SEC.

Can Dooley put us over the hump? No idea.. I can't say he definitely can.. but there is no way you can know for certain he can't either.

Fact remains that the team is 10 times better then when he took over... and has made some major strides from just last year.

We average 160 a game on the ground.. and that stat comes after the toughest part of our schedul
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
IMO, that is where your wrong. We did not need Nick Saban coaching this team to beat UF, UGA, MSU, and USCe. We needed a coach with a backbone that held his players accountable. If you want to play, EARN IT. We needed a coach who could at least coach up talent even if just a little bit. I have no doubt that if this exact Vol squad was coached by a Mullen, Petrino, Sumlin, or ANY other coach who has won more than he has lost we would be sitting at 7-1 or 6-2 at worse. A top 3 hire would be great. ANY coach would put us in a better position to win than DD has. I may be a clueless poster, but I also know when to shoot a broken down horse.
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You are probably right. If one of the HCs didn't have a DC that put in place a new system and placed the scoring defense of one of those teams 100th out of 120 teams in scoring defense. If Dooley was the ultimate decision maker on Sal. As stated, I say fire Dooley today. Somehow, I think the UA Alumni, Hart, had more to do with the hire than Dooley. If so, Dooley may get a pass, like it or not. Unless, Thunder and Haslam spend about 20 million to buy everyone out and get almost an entirely new staff ( hoping they keep atleast Graham and Pittman).
 
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Dooley took over a team coming off a winning season. The team had won 4 SEC games in 09. 2 loses to Bama & AU by a total of 6 points. He has had 2 losing seasons and is at 0-5 in the SEC this year(all 3 in fact). Saying we are 10X better is the definition of delusional.
 
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volsgrad89 said:
You are probably right. If one of the HCs didn't have a DC that put in place a new system and placed the scoring defense of one of those teams 100th out of 120 teams in scoring defense. If Dooley was the ultimate decision maker on Sal. As stated, I say fire Dooley today. Somehow, I think the UA Alumni, Hart, had more to do with the hire than Dooley. If so, Dooley may get a pass, like it or not. Unless, Thunder and Haslam spend about 20 million to buy everyone out and get almost an entirely new staff ( hoping they keep atleast Graham and Pittman).
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The number is not 20 million. If Hart can manage the funds to cover 1-1.5 million, I think the rest will take care of itself. Hire a proven winner and the extra revenue gained by fan excitement would cover the buyouts over the next 12-24 months. Buyouts and salaries are paid monthly. Noone gets a 1-5 million dollar check.
 
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volsgrad89 said:
Do you guys realize all 5 losses are to SEC (hands down the toughest conference in college football, unprecedented) teams in the top 15 of the BCS with a combined record of 36-5? Of course, all 5 losses are to those in the top 15 of the BCS. Do you remember UT was competitive in all 5 losses except 1? Do you realize no one has been competitive with Bama this year? Do you realize that UT had a very good chance of winning 3 of those games with last years DC? Whoever brought in an unproven DC needs to be fired now!!! If it was ultimately Dooley, see ya Dooley. If not, fire whoever brought in Sal. The D is PATHETIC!!!
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Ole Miss was quite competitive against Alabama, particularly in the first 3 quarters.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Dooley took over a team coming off a winning season. The team had won 4 SEC games in 09. 2 loses to Bama & AU by a total of 6 points. He has had 2 losing seasons and is at 0-5 in the SEC this year(all 3 in fact). Saying we are 10X better is the definition of delusional.
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Who said we were 10 times better? I certainly didn't. If you are going to debate, debate facts!!! The fact is the UT team nor it's fans will be where anyone wants them to be. Unless, one of the top three men on the list is hired at UT. If so, fire Dooley tomorrow! If not, keep Dooley until one of them can be obtained. No one wants to be doing this again 2-3 years down the road!!!
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
The number is not 20 million. If Hart can manage the funds to cover 1-1.5 million, I think the rest will take care of itself. Hire a proven winner and the extra revenue gained by fan excitement would cover the buyouts over the next 12-24 months. Buyouts and salaries are paid monthly. Noone gets a 1-5 million dollar check.
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It doesn't matter what the time period is! It will take UT almost 20 million to buy out CDD and most of the staff's contracts (9+million), plus secure a PROVEN HC and PROVEN ASSISTANTS!!! If UT can get a PROVEN HC. And, UT becomes relevant again in the first two years. You are right. The added revenue from ticket sales, food and merchandise sales, tv revenue, and booster revenue will more than pay for all of this!!! For the last time, my point is the SEC is much stronger than it was 15 years ago with many more proven high end coaches. Either get a top three choice or wait until one is secured. This is not the time to put a bandaid on a 12 inch cut. It is time to sew up everything properly and stop the bleeding once and for all!!!
 
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volsgrad89 said:
Who said we were 10 times better? I certainly didn't. If you are going to debate, debate facts!!! The fact is the UT team nor it's fans will be where anyone wants them to be. Unless, one of the top three men on the list is hired at UT. If so, fire Dooley tomorrow! If not, keep Dooley until one of them can be obtained. No one wants to be doing this again 2-3 years down the road!!!
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So your willing to continue losing for the time it takes a "Top 3" coach to want the Vols HC job? The loss of 15 million dollars a year is worth that? We do not need Jon Gruden to be a better football team. We did not need Gruden to beat UGA or USCe this year. We needed a capable coach. "Top 50" may have got it done. I would love to see us shock college football with a Gruden hire. I just think we could be a top 20 team with ALOT of coaches.
 
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ImportedVoL said:
You sir are completely delusional.. The people who rallied to get fulmer fired are the ones who doomed us to mediocrity and football irrelevance.

Which is sad, because now we attack the man who is trying to get us back to that point.

Is it taking longer then ANY UT fan would like.. YES

Does anyone like Losing? NO

Is ANYONE saying its ok to have a record like this every year? NO

but anyone who thinks it can happen overnight is delusional and has no idea what it takes to build a team from almost nothing into a top 10-15 team, which is what it takes to be successful in the SEC.

Can Dooley put us over the hump? No idea.. I can't say he definitely can.. but there is no way you can know for certain he can't either.

Fact remains that the team is 10 times better then when he took over... and has made some major strides from just last year.

We average 160 a game on the ground.. and that stat comes after the toughest part of our schedul
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Yes, I shamefully was one of the ones wanting Fulmer to go. It is shameful because of what has happened the last four years. I still think it was time for him to go. But, I would have NEVER WANTED him to go could I have seen the writing on the wall. We would have been in a much shape to give him another year, leave azzclown on the west coach, and hire a PROVEN HC the following year.

Now, it is time to support the team and quit all the bashing until a big time coach is hired. Do I hope it is done soon? YES!!! But, you don't jump ship unless you see a HUGE AND PROVEN life preserver waiting to catch your fall!!!
 
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volsgrad89 said:
It doesn't matter what the time period is! It will take UT almost 20 million to buy out CDD and most of the staff's contracts (9+million), plus secure a PROVEN HC and PROVEN ASSISTANTS!!! If UT can get a PROVEN HC. And, UT becomes relevant again in the first two years. You are right. The added revenue from ticket sales, food and merchandise sales, tv revenue, and booster revenue will more than pay for all of this!!! For the last time, my point is the SEC is much stronger than it was 15 years ago with many more proven high end coaches. Either get a top three choice or wait until one is secured. This is not the time to put a bandaid on a 12 inch cut. It is time to sew up everything properly and stop the bleeding once and for all!!!
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Another losing season or 2 will stop the bleeding? How attractive will this job be with another 12-15 loses piled on? How long till the recruits stop listening and buying the BS? Waiting will cost this program ALOT more than hiring a winner now. He does not have to be a "Top 3" 5 million dollar man.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
So your willing to continue losing for the time it takes a "Top 3" coach to want the Vols HC job? The loss of 15 million dollars a year is worth that? We do not need Jon Gruden to be a better football team. We did not need Gruden to beat UGA or USCe this year. We needed a capable coach. "Top 50" may have got it done. I would love to see us shock college football with a Gruden hire. I just think we could be a top 20 team with ALOT of coaches.
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Do you think UT's 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, or 10th choice can compete with the likes of Saban, Spurrier, Richt, Miles, Muschamp, Sullin, and possibly Mullen on a consistent basis? If you answer honestly, I am sure your answer will be no! I didn't say Gruden. I said whoever is one of UT's top 3 choices. Which should be a very high end proven coach and recruiter.

Oh, you thin A LOT of coaches could put us in the top 20?
That is beyond hilarious! Please type out a list of all the coaches you know for certain that can consistently beat Saban, Spurrier, Muschamp, Richt. Because you are going to probably have to beat atleast two of them EVERY YEAR after you throw in Miles, Mullen, Sumlin, and whoever Arkansas next coach will be. Besides, most UT fans like myself don't just want to be in the top 20. We want to consistently compete for SEC East Titles. By consistently, I mean winning 3 SEC Titles every 10 years. Right now, a SEC team can be in the top 20 and have 3 losses. You can't have 3 losses in the SEC and consistently compete for the SEC East!!!
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Another losing season or 2 will stop the bleeding? How attractive will this job be with another 12-15 loses piled on? How long till the recruits stop listening and buying the BS? Waiting will cost this program ALOT more than hiring a winner now. He does not have to be a "Top 3" 5 million dollar man.
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You are a clueless brick head. I am done debating with you. I see some of your points are valid. For you not to see any of mine and just think are a LOT OF COACHES who can come to UT and put us back in the top 20 is beyond absurd!!! Again, name all those coaches who are going to consistently beat Spurrier, Richt, Muschamp, Mullen, Sumlin, whoever Arkansas hires, Miles, and Saban!!! We are waiting on your list!!!
 
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volsgrad89 said:
You are a clueless brick head. I am done debating with you. I see some of your points are valid. For you not to see any of mine and just think are a LOT OF COACHES who can come to UT and put us back in the top 20 is beyond absurd!!! Again, name all those coaches who are going to consistently beat Spurrier, Richt, Muschamp, Mullen, Sumlin, whoever Arkansas hires, Miles, and Saban!!! We are waiting on your list!!!
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I think his point was that anybody would do more with what we've got than Dooley...
 
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