Official Jon Gruden Thread IV

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MedicT said:
I absolutely agree. My concern is with fans wanting instant gratification and that will not happen in the SEC. As far as the money issue, the revenue generated from a consistently competitive program would far outweigh the cost UT would have to pay to get Gruden or any other top tier coach.
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Completely agree.

One other thing... Gruden would be a rock star on the JUCO circuit. I guess I'm laying out a best case scenario, but hey, all I got is hope. GiveBestOffer!
 
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LittleDTO said:
Saban won a National Championship in year 2 with Alabama.
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Absolutely DTO, and I am certainly all for Gruden doing the same thing here. Like you just mentioned, the SEC is murderer's row, and the conference is at the pinnacle of CFB power right now. Gruden will make a huge impact from day one but I'm not so sure he will have us at championship potential quite so quickly. I hope we have the opportunity to see him prove me wrong.:)
 
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OCIVol said:
I guess I "pre-posted" much of that last week. Stalk much?
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I have to comment on the heat OCI was getting, especially now that much of his information is (perhaps) coming to fruition. I know many bring up the 3 Amigos thread, but he put that up WAY before Signing Day. Recruiting is extremely fluid (especially when Miss St gave Autrey the tons of dough). We got Sentimore, and I think Florida got Jacobs. The fact that so many get up in arms over his info means that OCI must be right some of the time. Many think others have a 100% sucess rate when it comes to Vol Nation predictions. Before people give examples, Randy Shannon should put those on hold plain and simple (WITH ALL RELIABLE INTEL POSTERS). We are humans and are at times erroneous.

Oh yeah, the 13 coach example folks continue to bring up... I think whoever OCI is, HE KNOWS only 9 coaches are allowed! He threw out POSSIBLE names for POSSIBLE positions. Remember, we had no RB Coach until this year for Graham. Who knows what position coach Gruden will choose to not have stationed (won't be RB Coach I imagine LOL).

If OCI is trolling, at least he is a Vol Fan. More importantly, WHO CARES?! He can do what everyone else does on here and state an opinion, the fact it is taken as truth again shows people respect him. Regardless of where he gets the info, it is still info. There are 3 possible scenarios.

1. As most of you think, he piggy backs off of others. If so, STILL VALUABLE!

2. Made up. The fact that some of the stuff he says comes true, I don't think this is the case.

3. Has a connection. Let us hope so.

Fellas and Ladies, OCI has every right to be upset after people are clamoring and holding as gospel on the latest news.
 
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MedicT said:
I absolutely agree. My concern is with fans wanting instant gratification and that will not happen in the SEC. As far as the money issue, the revenue generated from a consistently competitive program would far outweigh the cost UT would have to pay to get Gruden or any other top tier coach.
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I agree that the expectations would be sky high but I also think that a year 2 championship like Saban is very unrealistic, especially with the state of the defense.

I think a home run hire like Gruden, even if he didn't win championships the first few years, would be given the time necessary to build his team and still be supported by this fanbase.

The problem with Dooley's team, at least for me, was how they played, not so much the wins and loss column.
It began with the Kentucky game. If you can't motivate a bunch of 18-23 year olds to win a college football game, ANY college football game, then you probably have no business being a football coach at UT. And then looking at the statistics from the second halves of games, led me to believe that it was more of a coaching problem, rather than a personnel problem.

Motivating young players would not be a problem with a Gruden-led team. JMO.

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Int'lVOLofMystery said:
I agree that the expectations would be sky high but I also think that a year 2 championship like Saban is very unrealistic, especially with the state of the defense.

I think a home run hire like Gruden, even if he didn't win championships the first few years, would be given the time necessary to build his team and still be supported by this fanbase.

The problem with Dooley's team, at least for me, was how they played, not so much the wins and loss column.
It began with the Kentucky game. If you can't motivate a bunch of 18-23 year olds to win a college football game, ANY college football game, then you probably have no business being a football coach at UT. And then looking at the statistics from the second halves of games, led me to believe that it was more of a coaching problem, rather than a personnel problem.

Motivating young players would not be a problem with a Gruden-led team. JMO.

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Certainly recruit and current player buy in would not be a problem. Initially though, the current team would have to completely adjust their style of play to the "Gruden way" or Gruden would have to adapt his system to the strengths of the team. Either way I would not expect to see a team at full potential until at least year 3 and that fits nicely with what Saban accomplished. Maybe for a reason? IDK
 
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MedicT said:
Certainly recruit and current player buy in would not be a problem. Initially though, the current team would have to completely adjust their style of play to the "Gruden way" or Gruden would have to adapt his system to the strengths of the team. Either way I would not expect to see a team at full potential until at least year 3 and that fits nicely with what Saban accomplished. Maybe for a reason? IDK
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I don't know if the offense would have much of a problem adjusting. Kiffin put a pretty good offense on the field and he was following the Clawfense.
 
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MedicT said:
Certainly recruit and current player buy in would not be a problem. Initially though, the current team would have to completely adjust their style of play to the "Gruden way" or Gruden would have to adapt his system to the strengths of the team. Either way I would not expect to see a team at full potential until at least year 3 and that fits nicely with what Saban accomplished. Maybe for a reason? IDK
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* pause *

OK, so is there perhaps an acknowledgement that it does take time to turn things around? That magic is not involved with the rebuilding of a football program?

Don't everyone start screaming at me and calling me a Dooleyite or whatever. I'm terribly disappointed at how things are going, especially this year, and I think that a hot-shot coach would have been able to both motivate the players and figure how to call time-outs.

* another pause to reflect on how and why hot-shot coaches weren't available three years ago *

But Kiffin said it would take time, Dooley said it would take time, everyone with a lick of sense said it would take time, and now Grudenites are saying it will take time. --not that I'm putting Grudenites and "everyone with a lick of sense" in different and exclusive categories. This is just a rhetorical technique.

I'm one of those hoping for a graceful and gracious handover of the coaching reins, and an acknowledgement by 95+% of the fanbase that CDD did stabilize the program in terms of the Knoxville Police Department frequent-flier program, along with improving the overall talent through recruiting, so that whoever does succeed him will have something to work with.

And then we can kick Bama's ass 3 or 4 years from now. :)
 
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VolNExile said:
* pause *

OK, so is there perhaps an acknowledgement that it does take time to turn things around? That magic is not involved with the rebuilding of a football program?

Don't everyone start screaming at me and calling me a Dooleyite or whatever. I'm terribly disappointed at how things are going, especially this year, and I think that a hot-shot coach would have been able to both motivate the players and figure how to call time-outs.

* another pause to reflect on how and why hot-shot coaches weren't available three years ago *

But Kiffin said it would take time, Dooley said it would take time, everyone with a lick of sense said it would take time, and now Grudenites are saying it will take time. --not that I'm putting Grudenites and "everyone with a lick of sense" in different and exclusive categories. This is just a rhetorical technique.

I'm one of those hoping for a graceful and gracious handover of the coaching reins, and an acknowledgement by 95+% of the fanbase that CDD did stabilize the program in terms of the Knoxville Police Department frequent-flier program, along with improving the overall talent through recruiting, so that whoever does succeed him will have something to work with.

And then we can kick Bama's ass 3 or 4 years from now. :)
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Kiffin said it would take time but he was bringing in a top five class when he left. That is still the best class Dooley has had. Dooley will be remembered for a lot more negative than positive considering all of the "firsts" during his tenure.
 
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Oh, yeah.

Friend of mine says he heard something about something maybe getting done later this week regarding Gruden? Possibly a face to face and the Dooley ousting we've been waiting for.

Anybody said anything in here? It's not in the cliff notes thread.
 
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UTodd01 said:
Oh, yeah.

Friend of mine says he heard something about something maybe getting done later this week regarding Gruden? Possibly a face to face and the Dooley ousting we've been waiting for.

Anybody said anything in here? It's not in the cliff notes thread.
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I've heard within 48 hours, but that was like a week ago.
 
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VolNExile said:
* pause *

I'm one of those hoping for a graceful and gracious handover of the coaching reins, and an acknowledgement by 95+% of the fanbase that CDD did stabilize the program in terms of the Knoxville Police Department frequent-flier program, along with improving the overall talent through recruiting, so that whoever does succeed him will have something to work with.

And then we can kick Bama's ass 3 or 4 years from now. :)
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I can buy that, and VFL and he hasn't been a bad recruiter, infact his juco recruiting has been great, the EE's, he's kept most of em'.

I think he had lofty goals and I wouldn't be totally shocked(certainly surprised) if we weren't to Dooley what MSU was to Saban. Sometimes you gotta learn on the job. I can give credit where it's due. No Vol fan feels as bad as Dooley must.

He talks about process, not looking at the scoreboard, and that's what he's got to do now, finish.
 
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I still enjoy what OCI brings to the board, recruiting or otherwise. The desire he SEEMS to have for getting credit for it is somewhat offputting though.

But having the gonads to go out on a limb and take a stand is admirable, even though you must also man up when you get it wrong.

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