Official Jon Gruden Thread IV

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Ulysees E. McGill said:
I don't think we need a Offensive coach right now, especially one who is not that great at adapting his play calling to his personnel. I think it is time for DD to go. He did not meet the expectations I had for this season. I will say this...IF...Gruden has learned from his mistakes AND brings a great DC and staff with him I would not oppose the hire.
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I think you bring up an interesting point regarding not needing an offensive guy at this point. I'm going to get a little off topic here, but I'll try to get back on quickly.

I had a convo with my brother, he was an All-American LB at EKU back when they were still a powerhouse under Coach Roy Kidd.

He said that his first 3 years he had the same LB coach and in his fourth season his position coach left. The scheme didn't change (4-3), just the guy coaching the LB's. He changed the reads for example, certain techniques etc...He said "I was miserable" I couldn't untrain myself and I didn't believe, nor did the other upperclassman LB's buy into what the new coach was teaching. So miserable, he decided not to go back for his final year(redshirted as a freshman and he'd graduated).

Then he said to me this " That was just one position coach, these players over there (UT) have been doing this on and off since Fulmer left, they probably don't know which way is up, the whole team."

If you want Dooley gone, it doesn't really matter whether it's Gruden or Strong or Mullins or Petrino...there will be an adjustment, just like the defense this year with all new coaches.

So the real question is this. Do we stay the course and hope the D makes giant strides in year two, or get the best coach money can buy whoever that is and hope we don't have to do it again in 3 or 4 years?

Sorry for the long post.
 
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vol66 said:
I think you bring up an interesting point regarding not needing an offensive guy at this point. I'm going to get a little off topic here, but I'll try to get back on quickly.

I had a convo with my brother, he was an All-American LB at EKU back when they were still a powerhouse under Coach Roy Kidd.

He said that his first 3 years he had the same LB coach and in his fourth season his position coach left. The scheme didn't change (4-3), just the guy coaching the LB's. He changed the reads for example, certain techniques etc...He said "I was miserable" I couldn't untrain myself and I didn't believe, nor did the other upperclassman LB's buy into what the new coach was teaching. So miserable, he dicided not to go back for his final year(redshirted as a freshman and he'd graduated).

Then he said to me this " That was just one position coach, these players over there (UT) have been doing this on and off since Fulmer left, they probably don't know which way is up, the whole team."

If you want Dooley gone, it doesn't really matter whether it's Gruden or Strong or Mullins or Petrino...there will be an adjustment, just like the defense this year with all new coaches.

So the real question is this. Do we stay the course and hope the D makes giant strides in year two, or get the best coach money can buy whoever that is and hope we don't have to do it again in 3 or 4 years?

Sorry for the long post.
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I mentioned this a few weeks ago and was summarily taken to the woodshed for it, so good luck.:) For whomever takes over the program there will be an adjustment or development period no doubt, however, I have seen nothing from the current program to make me think Dooley could ever get things moving in a positive direction.
 
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vol66 said:
I think you bring up an interesting point regarding not needing an offensive guy at this point. I'm going to get a little off topic here, but I'll try to get back on quickly.

I had a convo with my brother, he was an All-American LB at EKU back when they were still a powerhouse under Coach Roy Kidd.

He said that his first 3 years he had the same LB coach and in his fourth season his position coach left. The scheme didn't change (4-3), just the guy coaching the LB's. He changed the reads for example, certain techniques etc...He said "I was miserable" I couldn't untrain myself and I didn't believe, nor did the other upperclassman LB's buy into what the new coach was teaching. So miserable, he dicided not to go back for his final year(redshirted as a freshman and he'd graduated).

Then he said to me this " That was just one position coach, these players over there (UT) have been doing this on and off since Fulmer left, they probably don't know which way is up, the whole team."

If you want Dooley gone, it doesn't really matter whether it's Gruden or Strong or Mullins or Petrino...there will be an adjustment, just like the defense this year with all new coaches.

So the real question is this. Do we stay the course and hope the D makes giant strides in year two, or get the best coach money can buy whoever that is and hope we don't have to do it again in 3 or 4 years?

Sorry for the long post.
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Well, I say Dooley needs to go at all costs. I have no confidence in his ability to lead the football program at UT. I think we will remain near or at the bottom of the SEC east for many years if he remains.
 
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MedicT said:
I mentioned this a few weeks ago and was summarily taken to the woodshed for it, so good luck.:) For whoever takes over the program there will be an adjustment or development period no doubt, however, I have seen nothing from the current program to make me think Dooley could ever get things moving in a positive direction.
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I know...if I may expound further...Bray and the receivers will have to make a huge adjustment from Chaney's verticle passing game to Gruden's west coast scheme...sort of...Chaney and Brees had much more of a quick passing game, looked a lot like what we do now in terms of formations, but it was get the ball out/quick decision, shorter routes. Always has baffled me the marriage of Dooley, Chaney and Bray...anyhow...He's Gruden, maybe he'd garner their respect immediately and it would turn out okay.
 
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vol66 said:
I know...if I may expound further...Bray and the receivers will have to make a huge adjustment from Chaney's verticle passing game to Gruden's west coast scheme...sort of...Chaney and Brees had much more of a quick passing game, looked a lot like what we do now in terms of formations, but it was get the ball out/quick decision, shorter routes. Always has baffled me the marriage of Dooley, Chaney and Bray...anyhow...He's Gruden, maybe he'd garner their respect immediately and it would turn out okay.
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To an extent he would. Grudens ability to motivate is probably his greatest asset. His recruiting ability will also be outstanding however that will take at least a couple of seasons to pay off. I hope his persona will earn enough confidence from us the impatient fan base to allow the program time necessary to succeed.
 
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VolMaster14 said:
Not only is Gruden a great coach, he is also well respected and recruits know who and what he is from seeing him allover ESPN and imo, most of the elite players will want to play for him. I don't have any worries he will bring an amazing staff with him.
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That's the only thing that worries me. I can buy Gruden, but he will demand so much that I'm worried that UT won't be able to pay for top notch assistants to go with him.
 
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Escape Goat said:
That's the only thing that worries me. I can buy Gruden, but he will demand so much that I'm worried that UT won't be able to pay for top notch assistants to go with him.
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That's what I thought in the beginning before I jumped on the Gruden wagon but when people in the know started talking about how the big boosters are ready to spend whatever it takes, even covering the buyouts, I don't think money is an issue. Jmo but if the Gruden deal falls through its all on Hart not getting it done.
 
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VFL10 said:
Hey DTO, have you heard about Pete Carroll being our #2 candidate? Any truth to that? I know you have said that Gruden is a done deal but I was just wondering what you thought about Carroll. Should we just completely forget about him because the Gruden thing is so for sure or could he be a legit possibility? Thanks
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Sorry for the late response. I haven't heard anything about PC. I think he would be on a list of potential coaches. However, our 1st 2nd and 3rd choice has always been Gruden.

Would PC have success in the SEC? Sure but not to the level he did at USC. He usually only had one tough game all year. Winning the PAC 10 was easier then. SEC is murderers row.
 
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MedicT said:
To an extent he would. Grudens ability to motivate is probably his greatest asset. His recruiting ability will also be outstanding however that will take at least a couple of seasons to pay off. I hope his persona will earn enough confidence from us the impatient fan base to allow the program time necessary to succeed.
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It is for that reason that I'm hoping Gruden takes the job and I hope we pay him Saban money to get him if necessary.

We need RB help immediately. Kamara says he'd think about UT if we hire Gruden.

We need DT's and he can tout Warren Sapp.

We'll need to stockpile another QB or two,. What Pro Style QB wouldn't want Gruden?

Every kid thinks they can make it to the NFL and which coach knows what it takes and has the connections to pick up a phone and get an undrafted kid a try-out in a place he might be able to make it.

Recruiting will not be his weakness, he'll be one heck of a closer.

I worry about the 20 hr. rule and the restrictions. I worry about trying to throw too much of his offense at a new QB and that kind of thing.

For me it's simple keep Dooley, get Strong or get Gruden...Gruden.
 
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VolMaster14 said:
That's what I thought in the beginning before I jumped on the Gruden wagon but when people in the know started talking about how the big boosters are ready to spend whatever it takes, even covering the buyouts, I don't think money is an issue. Jmo but if the Gruden deal falls through its all on Hart not getting it done.
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Hope everyone is on point.
 
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I absolutely agree. My concern is with fans wanting instant gratification and that will not happen in the SEC. As far as the money issue, the revenue generated from a consistently competitive program would far outweigh the cost UT would have to pay to get Gruden or any other top tier coach.
 
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MedicT said:
I absolutely agree. My concern is with fans wanting instant gratification and that will not happen in the SEC. As far as the money issue, the revenue generated from a consistently competitive program would far outweigh the cost UT would have to pay to get Gruden or any other top tier coach.
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Saban won a National Championship in year 2 with Alabama.
 
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