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#28
#28
Buying out the contract is in the contract. Therefore, if Dooley is let go and UT pays him a buyout, the contract has been honored. **** Dooley. I hope the door hits him in the ass on the way out.
 
#30
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A buyout is fulfilling the contract. It's not like you just tear it up. The contract allows itself to be fulfilled by either the employee being employed for 6 years or by the employer paying the employee a sum to not coach anymore. Either way the contract is "upheld."
 
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Vols4us said:
Obviously you forget that UT played for the SECCG in 2007 - something USCe has never done; much less having won an BCS NC. Spurrier has gone to the equivalent of an Ole Miss or Miss State and made a Top 20 winning program. Much different story at UT which won SEC championships in the 90s and won their division a couple of times in the last 10 years.

But don't let the facts get in the way of your hero worship of Dools.
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Dooley not my hero bro...I don't care if we were sitting here talking bout Chucky. Our past means jack shift now...who cares when the last time we played or won SEC. And yes I remember those days very well. Fact is that SC brought CSS in to take a losing team to high status. It has taken him 7 or 8 years to do so. We hired our present coach to bring us out of the f'n gutter! After two and a half seasons we ready to move on. We need patience and stability...changing coaches every other year will get us nothing. Recruits look at family atmosphere and stability of a program. Say what you want bro, your immature jabs at a complete stranger on a football board show your character. :devilsmoke:
 
#33
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BiGdNtN said:
I was raised kind of old fashioned, therefore, I think a contract is something that when signed by both parties, should be upheld. I know I will get flamed and it doesn't work this way, but why have contracts if we don't uphold them. If a coach and school come to an agreement and sign a five year contract...then that coach should get five years to get the job done. Only way the coach or school should be able to negate the contact is if a moral or legal action occurs. I don't care if its Dooley, Fulmer, Gruden, etc...if a contract drawn up and signed for 3 or 5 years...then that's how long the coach should get to build a winning program. After the contract is up, you can extend it or move on to another coach without any multi million dollar buyouts. Just my 2cents worth...flame away negavols!
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Since were all so old school... If YOU Fail to Execute the specific clauses in the contract then your in breach of the contract and SUCK.. Henceforth under this hat .... Dooley is in breach of this contract AT this time that he and Hamilton agreed on. So a vol fan from the time I was a we lad. Seems Dooley and Battle are contract breachers or TROLLING.
 
#37
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Look Dooley has brought this on himself... We have good talent but CRAPY coaching ....

_________ coach could of won at least one of these close games to keep his job...

If your not performing at your job then you get fired
 
#38
#38
And just to be clear...this thread was not a "support Dooley thread". It was simply a discussion starter about how contracts work and why we even have them. I stated i was raised old school. To me...buyout are just safety nets put in place in case you change your mind and wanna break the agreement made....that shouldn't even be called a contract. It's garbage. And just to reply to an earlier post and make a point....I bet my next paycheck that no where in Dooley's contract does it say he must beat four of the best teams in the country.

UA #1
UF #2
UGA #10
Miss St #15 or something like that
USCe #13

So no matter who the coach is...we should put in their contract you have to beat so many of these teams to keep your job. In the future...yeah I see that expectation...but when building..I just don't see it. When building you look for improvement. I have seen improvement in rushing, o-line, most special teams, and other areas. Definitly need to improve defense, but I expected it to be bad this year. UGA defense was horrible when they made the 3-4 switch.
 
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BiGdNtN said:
I was raised kind of old fashioned, therefore, I think a contract is something that when signed by both parties, should be upheld. I know I will get flamed and it doesn't work this way, but why have contracts if we don't uphold them. If a coach and school come to an agreement and sign a five year contract...then that coach should get five years to get the job done. Only way the coach or school should be able to negate the contact is if a moral or legal action occurs. I don't care if its Dooley, Fulmer, Gruden, etc...if a contract drawn up and signed for 3 or 5 years...then that's how long the coach should get to build a winning program. After the contract is up, you can extend it or move on to another coach without any multi million dollar buyouts. Just my 2cents worth...flame away negavols!
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it is morally wrong what dooley has done to the once proud ut football progam.

theres your grounds for firing.
 
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ELMAGNIFICO said:
Honoring even another year would teach alot of our fans a much needed lesson in patience and good things come to those who wait. In the long run this instant gratification crap gets us nowhere.
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The guy didn't have the necessary credentials to get the job in the first place. You my friend are a true negavol and a bad fan. You would rather see you team loose for your own personal gratification of seeing DOoley here. What that is going to do is just make us irrelevant. P.S. no one ever got mad at Kiffin for only winning 7 games so loosing isn't the problem some of you dummies don't see that there isn't any progress being made but hey tell me how Dooley's kids taste
 
#41
#41
Other than John L Smith at Ark, there isn't a coach in major college football working on a 1 year agreement. For recruiting purposes, most (if not all) coaches have rolling contracts. There are almost always 4-5 year extensions on them, just like Dooley signed after '10.
 
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Sometimes you pay for the way you handle the dismissal of coaches. Doug Dickey told Don DeVoe he had to get back to the Big Dance in 1989 he did and was fired and our basketball suffered for years until Pearl. Delmonico was uncerimoniously dismissed in baseball and we haven't been competitive since. Coach Fulmer went to the SEC CG for the 5th time in 11 years and was fired before the 2008 year ended and we sure as heck have not been too competitive in football. PF is a loyal Tennessee man and Hamilton handled his dismissal poorly. The grass is not always greener on the other side of the fence. This is Dooley's 3rd year. His first year is a wash to me because Kiffin left in late Jan so it is hard to expect a whole lot especially when Kiffin gutted the program. We had about 60 players. Our defense is horrible and Sansuri should be let go. The offense and the line are much better. I want to win as bad as anyone and except for the Alabama game we have been in the games with a chance to win. It is going to cost lots of money to buy out Dooley that evidently we don't have so our AD had better be more careful than his predecessor or we go backward further.
 
#43
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BiGdNtN said:
And just to be clear...this thread was not a "support Dooley thread". It was simply a discussion starter about how contracts work and why we even have them. I stated i was raised old school. To me...buyout are just safety nets put in place in case you change your mind and wanna break the agreement made....that shouldn't even be called a contract. It's garbage. And just to reply to an earlier post and make a point....I bet my next paycheck that no where in Dooley's contract does it say he must beat four of the best teams in the country.

UA #1
UF #2
UGA #10
Miss St #15 or something like that
USCe #13

So no matter who the coach is...we should put in their contract you have to beat so many of these teams to keep your job. In the future...yeah I see that expectation...but when building..I just don't see it. When building you look for improvement. I have seen improvement in rushing, o-line, most special teams, and other areas. Definitly need to improve defense, but I expected it to be bad this year. UGA defense was horrible when they made the 3-4 switch.
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Maybe TN should honor the contract and hold Dooley financially responsible for missing work due to an injury that was caused by his own negligence!:hi:

Bama went through 6 coaches in an eleven year span before Saban was hired and they are doing ok.:good!:
 
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UrbanCryer said:
it is morally wrong what dooley has done to the once proud ut football progam.

theres your grounds for firing.
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BS post....just ignorance....nobody could have done much better when he came in. I agree this year has been a bit of a let down...but year 1 and 2 were a wash from the get go.
 
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#45
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BiGdNtN said:
BS post....just ignorance....nobody could have done much better when he came in. I agree this year has been a bit of a let down...but year 1 and 2 were a wash from the get go.
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Dooley should not be a HC in the SEC, let alone The University of Tennessee.

Hugh Freeze and James Franklin have their squads playing at a higher level then Dooley has us playing, their in year 1(Freeze) and year 2(Franklin).

A good coach would have us in the chase for the east this year, a good coach would have NEVER hired a freaking LB coach to become DC(Not taking away Sals accomplishments as a POSITION coach). I am not going to even mention all the other dumb mistakes he has made as a HC.

Dooley was Sabans longest tenured staff member but he never gave him a coordinator position. Some guys are meant to be HC some are just lifetime position coaches, Dooley is a position coach running one of the biggest football programs in the country. The players who play here deserve better, the students deserve better and the fans deserve better.

I am worried about Vandy, VANDY. They could beat us this year, that's when I know it's time to part ways.

I appreciate what Dooley did here, but he just does not have what it takes to win big games.
 
#46
#46
CSS won something before he became coach at SC, and he beat UF his first year. What a bad comparison.

I think Zook is a better one.
 
#47
#47
BiGdNtN said:
BS post....just ignorance....nobody could have done much better when he came in. I agree this year has been a bit of a let down...but year 1 and 2 were a wash from the get go.
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then explain ole miss and miss state to me.

ole miss has less talent and a 1st year coach.

miss state (dan mullen) is in year 4. very similar to dooley.
 
#48
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BiGdNtN said:
And just to be clear...this thread was not a "support Dooley thread". It was simply a discussion starter about how contracts work and why we even have them. I stated i was raised old school. To me...buyout are just safety nets put in place in case you change your mind and wanna break the agreement made....that shouldn't even be called a contract. It's garbage. And just to reply to an earlier post and make a point....I bet my next paycheck that no where in Dooley's contract does it say he must beat four of the best teams in the country.

UA #1
UF #2
UGA #10Miss St #15 or something like that
USCe #13

So no matter who the coach is...we should put in their contract you have to beat so many of these teams to keep your job. In the future...yeah I see that expectation...but when building..I just don't see it. When building you look for improvement. I have seen improvement in rushing, o-line, most special teams, and other areas. Definitly need to improve defense, but I expected it to be bad this year. UGA defense was horrible when they made the 3-4 switch.
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Those 4 teams will always be on our schedule and in 3 years Dooley is yet to beat one of them. Those schools
are not going away, It's Time to find a coach who can get the job done.
 
#49
#49
BiGdNtN said:
I was raised kind of old fashioned, therefore, I think a contract is something that when signed by both parties, should be upheld. I know I will get flamed and it doesn't work this way, but why have contracts if we don't uphold them. If a coach and school come to an agreement and sign a five year contract...then that coach should get five years to get the job done. Only way the coach or school should be able to negate the contact is if a moral or legal action occurs. I don't care if its Dooley, Fulmer, Gruden, etc...if a contract drawn up and signed for 3 or 5 years...then that's how long the coach should get to build a winning program. After the contract is up, you can extend it or move on to another coach without any multi million dollar buyouts. Just my 2cents worth...flame away negavols!
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Wonder how many years Harvey Robinson signed for when he was Tennessee head coach?

I'm old school as well. There was a time at Tennessee when this failure in leadership and results would never have been tolerated. The man whose name adorns the stadium would never have allowed it.

End it now. End it the way the old school would've ended it.
 
#50
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BiGdNtN said:
This is Spurrier 8 season at SC...they just became top contenders in past few seasons...bet they glad they didn't fire him after year 3. Personally, I believe it takes time and a fan base that fully supports the team and coaches. That shows recruits we really building something in Ktown.
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Dooley is no Spurrier. How can you even compare a loser like Dooley to him? Dooley's a lawyer,not a coach.
 
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