Recruiting Forum: Football Talk II

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OCI stated in the Gruden thread that he had talked to two different sources & that Gruden would be next coach at UT.

I'd post his quote but I'm on mobile. Just passing it along. Maybe he'll drop by here soon to confirm.
 
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VOLout8 said:
Cool deal, just curious. Respect your input.
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Always try to be objective.

The Breakerboy said:
Do you think Dooley can beat Saban? Serious Question
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There are a lot of variables to consider, beginning with essentially, a completely new defensive staff. If they improve as a unit and coaching group, the defense could be much improved next year.

However, this is a reach, and I would be inclined to say that, no, Dooley cannot beat Saban on a regular basis, based on what I have seen. And Tennessee football will not be "back" until we can, at the very least, split games with Bama (as we know them now) over a 6 year period, IMO.

I worked for an hour on a post, analyzing Dooley, but dropped it in the end. One of the things I mentioned was how we are not "coaching up" our players. Teams like Boise State, Virginia Tech and Kansas State take 3* players and beat powerhouses stacked with 4* and 5*. If we have seen one thing in these three years, our players more or less perform to their "star ability". No one rises above their perceived potential, and some (Bray, Hunter, etc.) are continuing to make mistakes that a freshman would. The lack of growth there is a concern.

I could go on, but I know you are on the same page, so I digress.
 
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nicksjuzunk said:
Always try to be objective.



There are a lot of variables to consider, beginning with essentially, a completely new defensive staff. If they improve as a unit and coaching group, the defense could be much improved next year.

However, this is a reach, and I would be inclined to say that, no, Dooley cannot beat Saban on a regular basis, based on what I have seen. And Tennessee football will not be "back" until we can, at the very least, split games with Bama (as we know them now) over a 6 year period, IMO.

I worked for an hour on a post, analyzing Dooley, but dropped it in the end. One of the things I mentioned was how we are not "coaching up" our players. Teams like Boise State, Virginia Tech and Kansas State take 3* players and beat powerhouses stacked with 4* and 5*. If we have seen one thing in these three years, our players more or less perform to their "star ability". No one rises above their perceived potential, and some (Bray, Hunter, etc.) are continuing to make mistakes that a freshman would. The lack of growth there is a concern.

I could go on, but I know you are on the same page, so I digress.
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I think Gruden can beat Saban. Pretty sure Florida fans feel Muschamp can beat Saban. Dooley looks outclassed out there. Getting killed this year is unacceptable. Bray looked better last year than this year. Who's it on? The coaches for a fact. This team as far as talent is better than in any of Dooley's years. And they look the same year after year. Recruiting isn't at the level to beat Bama either. Florida, Georgia, and LSU are going toe to toe for recruits with Bama. What recruiting battle have we beat Bama in head to head? The players we are getting while they are good there are only a few elite prospects in this class. They are JRM, Sanders, Miles, and Carr. Guys like Vereen are good but need a year to work on technique. Zanca is a good pick up in any class. Other guys are projects or sleepers. Sutton is a good prospect but is he an impact guy? Ben Bradley is a nice DL but he isn't what we really have to have up front. We are in need of Elite LB help and an Elite pass rusher. Where are they? Where is the lockdown CB we need? They aren't coaching well or addressing needs in recruiting on an Elite SEC level. That's why he's got to go in my book. I made every excuse for him over the past two years. But I'm done with him getting the Vols embarassed.
 
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I really wish people would stop assuming it's a done deal that Gruden will be our coach..just setting your selves up for disappointment. I'm not saying it won't happen but I really doubt it does.
 
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chavisut said:
Would he? I don't see it.

I'm talking about this year for Gruden. I have no doubt he can bring in top 5.
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Oh yeah. He has recruited well, circumstances considered. If he had job security and some on the field success, I believe we would regularly be in the top 10 recruiting. It's what he has done with the talent on the field that concerns me
 
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SIAP - UT at USCe

UT- How's this for run-pass balance? The Vols have an equal number of attempts (256) at both this season. … Coach Derek Dooley publicly challenged QB Tyler Bray and WR Justin Hunter in the media this week, and said both have responded well in practice this week. Earlier in the week, Hunter had re-tweeted Dooley's comments and said, "I'm done," before deleting that tweet. … WR Cordarrelle Patterson is averaging nearly 35 yards per kickoff return. That ranks him second in America.

SC - Coach Steve Spurrier has termed DT Kelcy Quarles and OT Mike Matulis both as "doubtful" for this week against Tennessee. Both players are starters. … Spurrier also gave QB Connor Shaw a measure of job security after he's struggled the last two weeks, saying he'll start and go the distance this week. … DE Jadeveon Clowney's foot issues are lingering, but that's nothing new for the sophomore: he's played with them since high school.

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I am not sold on Gruden yet. So different coaching in college. Wonder if he would want the constant recruiting that has to be done. Not saying he can't, just wondering if he would want all that goes with College football. And I'm not saying NFL easy by no means. And not trying to compare the NFL job to College. Just throwing some thoughts out there.
 
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Orange Studs said:
I am not sold on Gruden yet. So different coaching in college. Wonder if he would want the constant recruiting that has to be done. Not saying he can't, just wondering if he would want all that goes with College football. And I'm not saying NFL easy by no means. And not trying to compare the NFL job to College. Just throwing some thoughts out there.
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His name alone will do the recruiting he just needs some coaches to do the foot work. We'll have some good recruiter's making a living off Gruden's name.
 
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The Breakerboy said:
Sounds like recruiters under Saban.
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BB I take it you would like the Gruden hire? Who are some realistic College Coaches would like to have? Realistic mean those who you think we would have a shot at? I know the usual names but who would we have a shot at if Gruden isn't the one?
 
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volswitten1 said:
His name alone will do the recruiting he just needs some coaches to do the foot work. We'll have some good recruiter's making a living off Gruden's name.
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I doubt recruiting is that simple. He'd have to travel and work nonstop in the off season, something he wouldn't have to do in the NFL making more money.
 
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In the Gruden orgy thread, they have lowered themselves to the "it's better for the program if we lose to USCe." argument. I vomited a little in my mouth.
 
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