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#951
#951
Was over in the FF and saw that Donte Stallworth tweeted this:

"So Jon Gruden is going back to UT to coach my #Vols? We talked about UT briefly in preseason. It was clear he still had love for UT. #GoVols"

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#952
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jjay2518 said:
Was over in the FF and saw that Donte Stallworth tweeted this:

"So Jon Gruden is going back to UT to coach my #Vols? We talked about UT briefly in preseason. It was clear he still had love for UT. #GoVols"

TIFWIW
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How the hell would he have heard that?
 
#953
#953
jjay2518 said:
Was over in the FF and saw that Donte Stallworth tweeted this:

"So Jon Gruden is going back to UT to coach my #Vols? We talked about UT briefly in preseason. It was clear he still had love for UT. #GoVols"

TIFWIW
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Stallworth did a follow up tweet saying he was seeking conformation.
 
#956
#956
If this happens, I think we finish our class top 5! (Ramsey and everyone else will want to be here) #Iwanttobelieve
 
#957
#957
jave36 said:
Yes can't stand that guy who coached UT during the best years the program has ever had.
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This program is in the shape that it is in largely because of Fulmer. He took over a strong program and ignored it after reaping success.
 
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Tux said:
This program is in the shape that it is in largely because of Fulmer. He took over a strong program and ignored it after reaping success.
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W/e man, guy has a couple bad years and you write him off as the only person in the world who you wouldn't support as the coach of UT. Crazy. Fulmer is the main reason the entire country knows UT. We were mediocre for 30 years before his run in the late 90s. He's the reason 8 and 4 isn't good enough AT UT. Before him we were almost always 8 and 4.
 
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#960
#960
Along with most other insiders in the gruden thread.. SBV also said randy shannon is our next DC. Don't believe anything until you see it ppl. That thread has got to be one of the craziest in VN history.
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#962
#962
jave36 said:
W/e man, guy has a couple bad years and you write him off as the only person in the world who you wouldn't support as the coach of UT. Crazy. Fulmer is the main reason the entire country knows UT. We were mediocre for 30 years before his run in the late 90s. He's the reason 8 and 4 isn't good enough AT UT. Before him we were almost always 8 and 4.
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Coming off a NC in 98, why would the program fall into disarray within a decade and on his watch? Two losing seasons out of four. THere have nit been many Fulmer players making a difference since Kiffin was here. His last two recruiting classes were horrid when it came to production. It was definitely time to acid wash the vestiges of his regime.
 
#963
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Tux said:
Coming off a NC in 98, why would the program fall into disarray within a decade and on his watch? Two losing seasons out of four. THere have nit been many Fulmer players making a difference since Kiffin was here. His last two recruiting classes were horrid when it came to production. It was definitely time to acid wash the vestiges of his regime.
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2 bad years out of how many?
 
#964
#964
jave36 said:
2 bad years out of how many?
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Why would he even have one losing season with everything that he had at his disposal?

The losing was all on him and it was all because he dug a deep hole that he couldn't dig himself out of. He got lazy in his recruiting and failed to hire the best staff that he could have.
 
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#965
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Tux said:
Coming off a NC in 98, why would the program fall into disarray within a decade and on his watch? Two losing seasons out of four. THere have nit been many Fulmer players making a difference since Kiffin was here. His last two recruiting classes were horrid when it came to production. It was definitely time to acid wash the vestiges of his regime.
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Our 1st losing season was 7 seasons after we won. Hate Fulmer all you like, but it wasn't an immediate downhill slide.
 
#966
#966
LWSVOL has thrown a lot of gasoline on the Gruden fire, however on TOS, he had this to say today:

(a) he does not think Hart would hire anyone before Dooley is dismissed
(b) he thinks it is highly unlikely that Gruden will be the head coach at UT

Why would LWS say this so soon after he had all but said that Gruden was coming to UT?
 
#967
#967
I do not believe all this talk about Gruden...call me a Debbie Downer...but I just can't with VN's history of being very wrong about things like this.
 
#968
#968
well the Gruden thread is ready to burn couches and hoist the crystal ball.

I still think if we beat South Carolina and find a way to win out Dooley will be retained.
 
#969
#969
UTMark said:
Our 1st losing season was 7 seasons after we won. Hate Fulmer all you like, but it wasn't an immediate downhill slide.
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Some thoughts to chew on courtesy of Jerre Haskew. They may need some updating but this is a few years old now.

Fulmer's record since 1998:

Losses to unranked teams 6 years in a row
6 consecutive seasons with 3 or more losses (8 out of last 9)
4 year records immediately following national championship:
- Fulmer ranks 57th out of 77 national champions since 1936
- Fulmer ranks 18th out of last 19 national champions?
Overall record 2005 - 2007: 18-13 (.581)
Overall record 2002 - 2007: 46-24 (.657); worse than any 5 year stretch since 1980 - 1984
SEC games 2005 - 2008 10-11
SEC East games 2005 - 2008: 6-7
4-10 (.286) vs. Ranked Teams 2005 - present
Lost 5 out of last 6 games vs. ranked teams (last 4 losses were non-competitive)
2006 Vol rushing defense gave up more yards per carry (4.70) than any Vol team since UTAD begin keeping the stats in 1951?
Consecutive seasons without SEC title: 9
Consecutive seasons without BCS bowl: 8
Consecutive seasons without top 10 ranking: 6
Seasons excluded from AP and/or Coaches Top 25: 2000, 2002, 2005, 2006 (and probably 2007)
Seasons with 3 or more losses: 1999, 2000, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007
Seasons with 4 or more losses: 2000, 2002, 2005, 2006, 2007
Seasons with 5 or more losses: 2002, 2005
Seasons with multiple losses to unranked teams: 2003, 2005, 2007
Consecutive seasons with a loss in last two games of season: 8
Seasons with double digit postseason loss: 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006 (every year they played in the postseason)
UT SEC Titles
1933 - 1939 2
1940 - 1949 2
1950 - 1959 2
1960 - 1969 2
1970 - 1979 0
1980 - 1989 2
1990 - 1999 3
2000 - 2007 0
Longest intervals without SEC title:
1. 1970 - 1984 (Bill Battle was fired)
2. 1957 - 1966 (Bowden Wyatt was fired)
3. 1999 - current
4. 1991 - 1996 (Majors was fired)
5. 1933 - 1937 (SEC formed in 1933 - Neyland was away in 1935)
5. 1941 - 1945 (Neyland was away during WWII - no team in 1943)
7. 1947 - 1950
7. 1952 - 1955 (Neyland retired after 1952)
9. 1986 - 1988
10. 1968
4-8 (.333) vs. Spurrier: (2-3 since 1998)
0-4 (.000) vs. Meyer
3-4 (.429) vs. Richt
1-3 (.250) vs. Tuberville (at AUB after 98, 3-3 overall)
1-3 (.250) vs. Saban
9-22 (.290) vs. above 5 coaches
SEC teams that Fulmer has a winning record vs. the current head coach: KY, Vandy, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, and ARK
10-19 (.345) 1999 - present vs. FL, GA, LSU, AUB (thank God for Zook!)
8-18 (.308) 2000 - present vs. FL, GA, LSU, AUB
6-17 (.261) 2000 - present vs. FL, GA, LSU, AUB excluding games vs. Zook
6-16 (.273) 2000 - present vs. FL, GA, AUB
4-13 (.235) 2000 - present vs. FL, GA, AUB excluding games vs. Zook
6-11 (.353) 2000 - present vs. FL, GA
4-10 (.286) 2000 - present vs. FL, GA excluding games vs. Zook
3-5 (.375) 2000 - present vs. GA
8-16 (.333) vs. Top 10 teams 1999 - present
1-8 (.111) vs. Top 10 teams at home 2000 - present
6-14 (.300) vs. Top 10 teams 2000 - present
18-24 (.429) vs. Ranked Teams 1999 - present
9-17 (.346) vs. Ranked Teams 2002 - present
4-6 (.400) Bowl games since 1998 (all losses were by double digits)
5-6 (.455) Postseason record since 1998 including SECCG (all losses were by double digits)
 
#970
#970
As I have said, I think Tennessee if they make a change will make a real run at Gruden and would make him say no.

I do believe that Gruden will and is researching the situation if it were to come open.

But to say something is done is not correct in my opinion based on all that I am told today and the last few days.
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Hubbs
 
#971
#971
Hubbs is controlled by the AD, so he wouldn't come out and confirm, if they didn't want him to.

Not saying it's 100% done deal.
 
#972
#972
Tux said:
Some thoughts to chew on courtesy of Jerre Haskew. They may need some updating but this is a few years old now.

Fulmer's record since 1998:

Losses to unranked teams 6 years in a row
6 consecutive seasons with 3 or more losses (8 out of last 9)
4 year records immediately following national championship:
- Fulmer ranks 57th out of 77 national champions since 1936
- Fulmer ranks 18th out of last 19 national champions?
Overall record 2005 - 2007: 18-13 (.581)
Overall record 2002 - 2007: 46-24 (.657); worse than any 5 year stretch since 1980 - 1984
SEC games 2005 - 2008 10-11
SEC East games 2005 - 2008: 6-7
4-10 (.286) vs. Ranked Teams 2005 - present
Lost 5 out of last 6 games vs. ranked teams (last 4 losses were non-competitive)
2006 Vol rushing defense gave up more yards per carry (4.70) than any Vol team since UTAD begin keeping the stats in 1951?
Consecutive seasons without SEC title: 9
Consecutive seasons without BCS bowl: 8
Consecutive seasons without top 10 ranking: 6
Seasons excluded from AP and/or Coaches Top 25: 2000, 2002, 2005, 2006 (and probably 2007)
Seasons with 3 or more losses: 1999, 2000, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007
Seasons with 4 or more losses: 2000, 2002, 2005, 2006, 2007
Seasons with 5 or more losses: 2002, 2005
Seasons with multiple losses to unranked teams: 2003, 2005, 2007
Consecutive seasons with a loss in last two games of season: 8
Seasons with double digit postseason loss: 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006 (every year they played in the postseason)
UT SEC Titles
1933 - 1939 2
1940 - 1949 2
1950 - 1959 2
1960 - 1969 2
1970 - 1979 0
1980 - 1989 2
1990 - 1999 3
2000 - 2007 0
Longest intervals without SEC title:
1. 1970 - 1984 (Bill Battle was fired)
2. 1957 - 1966 (Bowden Wyatt was fired)
3. 1999 - current
4. 1991 - 1996 (Majors was fired)
5. 1933 - 1937 (SEC formed in 1933 - Neyland was away in 1935)
5. 1941 - 1945 (Neyland was away during WWII - no team in 1943)
7. 1947 - 1950
7. 1952 - 1955 (Neyland retired after 1952)
9. 1986 - 1988
10. 1968
4-8 (.333) vs. Spurrier: (2-3 since 1998)
0-4 (.000) vs. Meyer
3-4 (.429) vs. Richt
1-3 (.250) vs. Tuberville (at AUB after 98, 3-3 overall)
1-3 (.250) vs. Saban
9-22 (.290) vs. above 5 coaches
SEC teams that Fulmer has a winning record vs. the current head coach: KY, Vandy, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, and ARK
10-19 (.345) 1999 - present vs. FL, GA, LSU, AUB (thank God for Zook!)
8-18 (.308) 2000 - present vs. FL, GA, LSU, AUB
6-17 (.261) 2000 - present vs. FL, GA, LSU, AUB excluding games vs. Zook
6-16 (.273) 2000 - present vs. FL, GA, AUB
4-13 (.235) 2000 - present vs. FL, GA, AUB excluding games vs. Zook
6-11 (.353) 2000 - present vs. FL, GA
4-10 (.286) 2000 - present vs. FL, GA excluding games vs. Zook
3-5 (.375) 2000 - present vs. GA
8-16 (.333) vs. Top 10 teams 1999 - present
1-8 (.111) vs. Top 10 teams at home 2000 - present
6-14 (.300) vs. Top 10 teams 2000 - present
18-24 (.429) vs. Ranked Teams 1999 - present
9-17 (.346) vs. Ranked Teams 2002 - present
4-6 (.400) Bowl games since 1998 (all losses were by double digits)
5-6 (.455) Postseason record since 1998 including SECCG (all losses were by double digits)
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I know for a fact Donte Stallworth and crew didn't lose to Michigan in the postseason. This list is flawed man looking over it.
 
#973
#973
Tux said:
LWSVOL has thrown a lot of gasoline on the Gruden fire, however on TOS, he had this to say today:

(a) he does not think Hart would hire anyone before Dooley is dismissed
(b) he thinks it is highly unlikely that Gruden will be the head coach at UT

Why would LWS say this so soon after he had all but said that Gruden was coming to UT?
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Didn't he say Gruden is Hart's number 1 guy. That if we do make a move we'll make an offer to Gruden that he cant say no?
 
#974
#974
Latest breaking news:
Hart resplits AD; he becomes Lady Vols AD
Dooley promoted to Men's AD

Hires
Archie Manning as HC
Who already has
OC Gruden
DC R Shannon

Retains all other staff x for CJC

UT sets record for staff salary @19.5 M before bonus stuctures.

Book it :)
:fireworks:
 
#975
#975
The Breakerboy said:
I know for a fact Donte Stallworth and crew didn't lose to Michigan in the postseason. This list is flawed man looking over it.
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Please go line by line and list and highlight where you agree and where you disagree and then lets see how it looks.
 
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