What UT should have done when Kiffin walked

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I mentioned this in another thread, but here is something to consider about decisions Mike Hamilton could've, and IMO I'd now say "should've", done when Kiffin walked in January 2010.

What Hamilton DID: Hire whoever will take the job at that point, even though it means that person would be walking away from their team the same way Kiffin just walked away from ours. Pay this person as if they are a top-notch coach so other coaches can't use that against us in recruiting, including giving him a mongo buyout of a ridiculous nature as if you just hired Nick Saban;

What Hamilton DIDN't DO: Name an interim coach from the current staff for the upcoming season, and tell everyone that you will be making a permanent hire later that season or at the end of it. Spend the season evaluating the interim coach's performance to consider him, and also searching for other candidates including ones who become hot commodities during the upcoming year. Make a good long term hire while essentially not expecting anything of that one season.

Both options have positives and negatives, and there are definitely trade-offs either way. But it seems quite clear to me that, in retrospect, we would've been better off to go the interim route and look long-term. I mean, once it got to the point where the best Hamilton could get is the La Tech coach with a losing record, he should've realized that an immediate permanent hire just wasn't in the cards.

Coaches who changes jobs after the 2010 season (IOW, the pool we would've been looking at had we used an interim and waited it out):

Hugh Freeze, Will Muschamp, Al Golden, Brady Hoke, Jim Harbaugh, Dana Holgorsen, James Franklin


Some of the schools that faced a similar situation that year in terms of changing coaches at inopportune times, and chose to go interim/long-term:

Ohio State, North Carolina, Vanderbilt, Pitt


Hard to say that those schools (except maybe Pitt, not sure about that one b/c of the whole coach-beating-his-wife thing) aren't better off than us at this point. Ohio State used Luke Fickell for the year and then hired Urban Meyer, for goodness sake.

My point is not that one of those guys would now be our coach, it's that this would be the pool of available candidates that we would've been able to pursue had we waited it out and looked at the big picture. Bottom line is you're only going to get a coach as good as the pool you are choosing from.

I think one of the reasons Hamilton panicked and made the quick hire was to attempt to salvage what we believed was a program-changing recruiting class that Kiffin had been putting together.

Here's the source that I used: 2011 College Football Coaching Changes, College Football New Coaches
 
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I think one of the reasons Hamilton panicked and made the quick hire was to attempt to salvage what we believed was a program-changing recruiting class that Kiffin had been putting together.

Hamilton's primary motivation was to save his own job. If he'd named an interim coach after publicly whiffing on all of his top targets, there's no chance he would have still been around to name the permanent guy, and he knew it.
 
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I mentioned this in another thread, but here is something to consider about decisions Mike Hamilton could've, and IMO I'd now say "should've", done when Kiffin walked in January 2010.

What Hamilton DID: Hire whoever will take the job at that point, even though it means that person would be walking away from their team the same way Kiffin just walked away from ours. Pay this person as if they are a top-notch coach so other coaches can't use that against us in recruiting, including giving him a mongo buyout of a ridiculous nature as if you just hired Nick Saban;

What Hamilton DIDN't DO: Name an interim coach from the current staff for the upcoming season, and tell everyone that you will be making a permanent hire later that season or at the end of it. Spend the season evaluating the interim coach's performance to consider him, and also searching for other candidates including ones who become hot commodities during the upcoming year. Make a good long term hire while essentially not expecting anything of that one season.

Both options have positives and negatives, and there are definitely trade-offs either way. But it seems quite clear to me that, in retrospect, we would've been better off to go the interim route and look long-term. I mean, once it got to the point where the best Hamilton could get is the La Tech coach with a losing record, he should've realized that an immediate permanent hire just wasn't in the cards.

Coaches who changes jobs after the 2010 season (IOW, the pool we would've been looking at had we used an interim and waited it out):

Hugh Freeze, Will Muschamp, Al Golden, Brady Hoke, Jim Harbaugh, Dana Holgorsen, James Franklin


Some of the schools that faced a similar situation that year in terms of changing coaches at inopportune times, and chose to go interim/long-term:

Ohio State, North Carolina, Vanderbilt, Pitt


Hard to say that those schools (except maybe Pitt, not sure about that one b/c of the whole coach-beating-his-wife thing) aren't better off than us at this point. Ohio State used Luke Fickell for the year and then hired Urban Meyer, for goodness sake.

My point is not that one of those guys would now be our coach, it's that this would be the pool of available candidates that we would've been able to pursue had we waited it out and looked at the big picture. Bottom line is you're only going to get a coach as good as the pool you are choosing from.

I think one of the reasons Hamilton panicked and made the quick hire was to attempt to salvage what we believed was a program-changing recruiting class that Kiffin had been putting together.

Here's the source that I used: 2011 College Football Coaching Changes, College Football New Coaches



So, we should have left Kippy Brown as the head coach for a season and see how thing went?
Then who would could you recruit to U.T. in that interim season? I can see it now. "Hi recruit "X" Come to U.T. and we will name a head coach at a later date
Just trust that we will hire a great coach Just sign your letter of Intent here"
 
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So, we should have left Kippy Brown as the head coach for a season and see how thing went?
Then who would could you recruit to U.T. in that interim season? I can see it now. "Hi recruit "X" Come to U.T. and we will name a head coach at a later date
Just trust that we will hire a great coach Just sign your letter of Intent here"

Worked out pretty well for Ohio State, didn't it? Taking a bath on one recruiting class is far less destructive long-term than chaining yourself for years to a bad coach.
 
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Better to make a safe decision than a stupid one.

That we paid Hammy $100K to leave, after his galactically poor decisionmaking crippled the entire athletic department for the better part of a decade, is mindboggling.
 
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Only true answer is to shut down the football program because he needed time for rational thinking.
 
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I mentioned this in another thread, but here is something to consider about decisions Mike Hamilton could've, and IMO I'd now say "should've", done when Kiffin walked in January 2010.

What Hamilton DID: Hire whoever will take the job at that point, even though it means that person would be walking away from their team the same way Kiffin just walked away from ours. Pay this person as if they are a top-notch coach so other coaches can't use that against us in recruiting, including giving him a mongo buyout of a ridiculous nature as if you just hired Nick Saban;

What Hamilton DIDN't DO: Name an interim coach from the current staff for the upcoming season, and tell everyone that you will be making a permanent hire later that season or at the end of it. Spend the season evaluating the interim coach's performance to consider him, and also searching for other candidates including ones who become hot commodities during the upcoming year. Make a good long term hire while essentially not expecting anything of that one season.

Both options have positives and negatives, and there are definitely trade-offs either way. But it seems quite clear to me that, in retrospect, we would've been better off to go the interim route and look long-term. I mean, once it got to the point where the best Hamilton could get is the La Tech coach with a losing record, he should've realized that an immediate permanent hire just wasn't in the cards.

Coaches who changes jobs after the 2010 season (IOW, the pool we would've been looking at had we used an interim and waited it out):

Hugh Freeze, Will Muschamp, Al Golden, Brady Hoke, Jim Harbaugh, Dana Holgorsen, James Franklin


Some of the schools that faced a similar situation that year in terms of changing coaches at inopportune times, and chose to go interim/long-term:

Ohio State, North Carolina, Vanderbilt, Pitt


Hard to say that those schools (except maybe Pitt, not sure about that one b/c of the whole coach-beating-his-wife thing) aren't better off than us at this point. Ohio State used Luke Fickell for the year and then hired Urban Meyer, for goodness sake.

My point is not that one of those guys would now be our coach, it's that this would be the pool of available candidates that we would've been able to pursue had we waited it out and looked at the big picture. Bottom line is you're only going to get a coach as good as the pool you are choosing from.

I think one of the reasons Hamilton panicked and made the quick hire was to attempt to salvage what we believed was a program-changing recruiting class that Kiffin had been putting together.

Here's the source that I used: 2011 College Football Coaching Changes, College Football New Coaches

Dooley is no higher then 10th in the SEC as far as salary goes. Yes the buyout sucks but it's just standard procedure for college coaches now. My vote now and at the time was for making Kippy the interim head coach for the 2010 season. Like has been mentioned though hindsight is 20/20 and it's time to move on.
 
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How many coaches were left on the staff after Kiffin left? In most of the situations you referenced, only the head coach left. The rest of the staff stayed in tact. I know Tennessee would have been with several crucial roles hanging open.
 
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How many coaches were left on the staff after Kiffin left? In most of the situations you referenced, only the head coach left. The rest of the staff stayed in tact. I know Tennessee would have been with several crucial roles hanging open.

I really can't believe im agreeing with a bamian "cough cough " but you are right good sir.
 
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So, we should have left Kippy Brown as the head coach for a season and see how thing went?
Then who would could you recruit to U.T. in that interim season? I can see it now. "Hi recruit "X" Come to U.T. and we will name a head coach at a later date
Just trust that we will hire a great coach Just sign your letter of Intent here"

Kippy Brown showed that he was no leader during his time as Interim Head Coach. We didn't win one single game. Players were rioting, transferring. Utter chaos.
 
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The mistake was hiring him in the first place. I remember my reaction when they hired him. I was actually kind of glad when he left because I knew he was a problem child but I remember even better my reaction when they hired dooley. I did a little Wikipedia search on him and saw that he had a losing record at LA Tech and smacked my head.
 
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Maybe we should have gotten the Vandy AD he seems to have made a good hire in JF. He has more 4* recruits than we do and bet they will be ready to play us this year.
 
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There are a million and one things Hamilton could have done better than he did!

Hindsight is 20/20.

Easy to say "hindsight is 20/20", but I think a lot of us were thinking exactly this (what the OP posted) at the time it happened.

I actually thought we would end up doing exactly this once I heard Kiffin left (it's not that uncommon of a practice), and Hamilton made a panic-hire instead.

Not sure that there's much of a reason to dwell on it, though. The truth of the matter is that Hamilton was incompetent as AD, and I think 90% of the ADs out there would've handled this much better. The real error was hiring Hamilton.
 
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The #1 response to news of the Dooley hire: "Who?"

Followed by Googling "Derek Dooley"... followed by #$@*!!! Year 3: same response.
 
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So, we should have left Kippy Brown as the head coach for a season and see how thing went?
Then who would could you recruit to U.T. in that interim season? I can see it now. "Hi recruit "X" Come to U.T. and we will name a head coach at a later date
Just trust that we will hire a great coach Just sign your letter of Intent here"

Chances are, a decision would have been made one way or the other once about 2/3 of the 2010 season was over with (so after the South Carolina game)... So while recruiting would've been more difficult, that is still enough time to get a decent recruiting class regardless of whether we would've kept the interim coach around or announced a new HC.
 
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The #1 response to news of the Dooley hire: "Who?"

Followed by Googling "Derek Dooley"... followed by #$@*!!! Year 3: same response.

Most people on this board convinced themselves that Dooley would end up being a good hire, just like most of it convince ourselves each year that we are good enough to win the SEC, and just how people are SO CERTAIN that if UT hires Gruden that we will restore our place among the top SEC schools and will be fighting for championships in no time.... At its most basic level, it's what being a fan does to you, myself included.
 
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where is Hamilton these days...let send out the lynching party.....some one gotta pay for this train wreck
 
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