Does a .500 winning percentage in NFL mean anything?

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EaglesVols91 said:
The thing that stands out about Gruden is that he's been on MNF for awhile now. Tell me one recruit in the entire country that doesn't watch MNF. He also has that QB show for the top QBs coming to the draft. I guarantee he can recruit.
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I posted a comment similar to this awhile back in the Gruden thread. I believe that would help him recruit a lot. Home run coach if we can get him in my opinion. Agree 100%
 
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Exfix said:
You mean the same time of the year that Kiffin left for USC? Pretty sure that was a bad time of the year for them too. You need a reality check if you think we are in the same league as an Alabama, USC, etc. when it comes to attracting a coach. Think before you call someone's argument lazy.
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Not when they had a guy out there with the integrity of Lane Kiffin-who was on record saying that USC was his dream job. Who was also their 5th choice for the job-so they didn't get who they wanted either.

People forget where Alabama was when they hired Saban. I'm not saying TN is on par with them, but they were in dire straits and hired a coach who was in the middle of an NFL season, and you act like they just snapped their fingers in order to do it. That's now how it went down.
 
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Exfix said:
You mean the same time of the year that Kiffin left for USC? Pretty sure that was a bad time of the year for them too. You need a reality check if you think we are in the same league as an Alabama, USC, etc. when it comes to attracting a coach. Think before you call someone's argument lazy.
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By the way-you also realize that Alabama was once in the position of choosing between Mike Shula and Sylvester Croom to lead their program? Florida was once in the position of hiring the DC of the Saints-Ron Zook, and USC was forced to take a chance on an NFL washout-Pete Carrol? Carrol obviously worked out, but he was not a popular hire at the time.
 
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I've heard it said that Tampa was in trouble with the Salary Cap right after Gruden was hired. It is speculated that's why Parcells turned them down. I don't personally know if that's true, but it sure would put a damper on the following few years for the Bucs. Add the draft picks they shipped off to Oakland, and it only gets worse.

I'm not convinced Gruden would be the "answer" even he he did consider UT, but I think it's obvious Tennessee could do a whole lot worse.
 
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Saban and spurrier were both in the NFL and they were not remotely successful and they seem to be doing alright to me.
 
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The most important thing about the UT job, by far, is recruiting. We can't assume that Gruden is a good recruiter just because he won a Super Bowl. There are some really good coaches out there (like Chavis) who just don't or can't recruit.
 
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EaglesVols91 said:
The thing that stands out about Gruden is that he's been on MNF for awhile now. Tell me one recruit in the entire country that doesn't watch MNF. He also has that QB show for the top QBs coming to the draft. I guarantee he can recruit.
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Wake up people!!! Gruden will not come to U.T. You better start thinking of the names Smart or Petrino....
 
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Did Saban win anything at Miami? No. Is he recognized as the best in college football? Yes.

Perhaps Gruden's best work was at Oakland before TB. He took a mediocre Oakland team to the AFC championship game in 3 seasons with Rich Gannon (who?) at QB. If Gannon doesn't get hurt in that game it may have been them instead of the Ravens in the SB. Then he goes to TB and wins the SB with the same players that another SB winning coach couldn't get over the hump with, that included Brad Johnson (who?) at QB. Then the idiot owners begin dismantling the team by not signing the stars to bigger contracts. Age caught up with the rest. Yet he still won.

Anybody doubting Gruden as a head coach has rocks for brains.
 
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Volnerd said:
The most important thing about the UT job, by far, is recruiting. We can't assume that Gruden is a good recruiter just because he won a Super Bowl. There are some really good coaches out there (like Chavis) who just don't or can't recruit.
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He is the safest hire of anyone available.
 
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kohlrums said:
By the way-you also realize that Alabama was once in the position of choosing between Mike Shula and Sylvester Croom to lead their program? Florida was once in the position of hiring the DC of the Saints-Ron Zook, and USC was forced to take a chance on an NFL washout-Pete Carrol? Carrol obviously worked out, but he was not a popular hire at the time.
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You miss that they (bama) were getting ready to sign Rich Rod at one point too until something caused that to fall through

Edit: I saw you put it in another post. My bad
 
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Vols4us said:
Did Saban win anything at Miami? No. Is he recognized as the best in college football? Yes.
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If I remember correctly Saban was exactly .500 in his two seasons with the Dolphins... Despite Don Shula's public menstruation over Saban taking his son's job aside, those were impressive coaching jobs by Saban because the Dolphins roster was really AWFUL...
 
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hillsborovol said:
Let all college coaches "draft" their recruits in reverse order of where they finished in last season's rankings. Alabama's first round pick would be around #120 or so, and their second round pick would be #240 or so. This system would closely resemble the draft system employed by the NFL. Instead of Alabama having the #1 ranked class (by Rivals), they would have one of the worst recruiting classes in the country.

If you think any college coach could dominate in these circumstances, please explain how and why.

Their winning percentages would be like NFL coaches' percentages are...hovering just above .500 if you are an excellent coach and an excellent judge of talent.
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^^ Possibly the most reasonable argument ever stated on VolNation. Very good point and you should now be banned lest you try to pull a stunt like that on another thread.
 
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MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
Yet Dungy failed to win it in Tampa with Dungy's players.
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They also went downhill enough afterwards for Gruden to get fired 6 years later...then again he kind of only made the playoffs twice in that period of time


(and the program seemed pretty much a mess when he left)




But hey, he won a super bowl in year 1 and we won a national title now...therefore, seemingly works...
 
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howie87 said:
If I remember correctly Saban was exactly .500 in his two seasons with the Dolphins... Despite Don Shula's public menstruation over Saban taking his son's job aside, those were impressive coaching jobs by Saban because the Dolphins roster was really AWFUL...
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Saban was 15-17

Actually sparano for them to the playoffs two seasons after he left, huh...surprised by that one
 
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EaglesVols91 said:
The thing that stands out about Gruden is that he's been on MNF for awhile now. Tell me one recruit in the entire country that doesn't watch MNF. He also has that QB show for the top QBs coming to the draft. I guarantee he can recruit.
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You are so right. And i bet he can get some good coaches around him also. You know Jay Graham is staying. Didn't Sal coach with Gruden before? He can be LBs coach. You going to be paying him anyways. Hope he keeps this O-line coach also. Other than that clean house.
 
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kohlrums said:
By the way-you also realize that Alabama was once in the position of choosing between Mike Shula and Sylvester Croom to lead their program? Florida was once in the position of hiring the DC of the Saints-Ron Zook, and USC was forced to take a chance on an NFL washout-Pete Carrol? Carrol obviously worked out, but he was not a popular hire at the time.
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LOL at "nfl washout Pete Carroll". Don't forget fellow washouts Saban and Spurrier. One could easily call Gruden an NFL washout, but I would take him no questions asked, as unlikely as that would be. Back to your original point, Tennessee is a difficult job these days and not an ideal destination for most college or NFL coaches. You act like we have our pick of the litter, and it simply is not true. I suppose there are many like you on this board who fool themselves into thinking otherwise.
 
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Exfix said:
Tennessee could have the most delusional fan base in the country if we are actually arguing about a SUPER BOWL WINNING coach coming out of the MNF booth to coach the Vols. You do realize our current coach was our eighth choice coming from a WAC school with a losing record? Last I heard, Bear Bryant and Jesus weren't available so in the unlikely event Gruden were to say yes, I'm pretty sure Hart takes him.
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I think Hart will try to get Gruden. Bama was in bad shape for awhile. They got Saban and turned things around. Saban gets recruits and makes Alabama alot of money. Saban takes them to a big bowl game every year. Seats are filled at Bryant-Denny. He payes for his self.
 
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Vols4us said:
Did Saban win anything at Miami? No. Is he recognized as the best in college football? Yes.

Perhaps Gruden's best work was at Oakland before TB. He took a mediocre Oakland team to the AFC championship game in 3 seasons with Rich Gannon (who?) at QB. If Gannon doesn't get hurt in that game it may have been them instead of the Ravens in the SB. Then he goes to TB and wins the SB with the same players that another SB winning coach couldn't get over the hump with, that included Brad Johnson (who?) at QB. Then the idiot owners begin dismantling the team by not signing the stars to bigger contracts. Age caught up with the rest. Yet he still won.

Anybody doubting Gruden as a head coach has rocks for brains.
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UT fans have earned the right to be pessimistic about anything and everything.

I disagree that people are idiots for having their concerns, given his limited experience in college, but I wholeheartedly agree that he would be an outstanding success at UT.
 
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DocVol said:
^^This could be the dumbest argument of all time in the history of football discussions.

You do realize a >.500 career win percentage in the NFL is considered a huge accomplishment. If you are trying to compare that to college win percentages for college coaches, it's apples to oranges. Not the same by a long shot.
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Thank you...my point exactly.
 
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Exfix said:
LOL at "nfl washout Pete Carroll". Don't forget fellow washouts Saban and Spurrier. One could easily call Gruden an NFL washout, but I would take him no questions asked, as unlikely as that would be. Back to your original point, Tennessee is a difficult job these days and not an ideal destination for most college or NFL coaches. You act like we have our pick of the litter, and it simply is not true. I suppose there are many like you on this board who fool themselves into thinking otherwise.
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:no:
 
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